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Natural gas in China: Shale game | The Economist

IN 2012 China’s main planning agency, the National Development and Reform Commission, declared that the country would produce 60 billion-100 billion cubic metres of shale gas a year in 2020. It needed those forecasts to be accurate.

They weren’t. Wu Xinxiong, the director of China’s National Energy Administration, recently predicted that only 30 billion cubic metres a year will come on stream by 2020. That would barely meet 1% of China’s energy needs now, let alone in 2020.

This is profoundly disappointing. With more than 30 trillion cubic metres of recoverable shale gas, China has the largest reserves in the world, almost 70% more than in America, home of the shale-gas revolution. It is also a setback to the country’s efforts to reduce pollution. Dirty coal now makes up about 70% of energy consumption and, despite fast growth in renewable energy, gas is the only cleanish energy source that could displace enough coal to rein in carbon emissions quickly.

China has found that replicating America’s shale strategy—even with American help—is harder than it expected. Fracking works by injecting millions of gallons of water, sand and chemicals into horizontal wells at high pressure, fracturing the shale and releasing gas. American shale seams are mostly found in easily accessible areas at quite shallow depths, and formed of rock that is easy to fracture. China’s are mostly deeper, often in inhospitable areas, and made up of rock that resists American fracking techniques. Worse, some of the biggest reserves are in regions, such as Sichuan province, that have been convulsed by seismic activity or are short of water, making fracking even tougher.

China’s two biggest state oil companies, Sinopec and China National Petroleum, have been fracking furiously, but so far only Sinopec has a commercially significant shale-gas project up and running, in Sichuan’s Fuling district. It claims the field will yield 5 billion cubic metres next year, compared with just 200m cubic metres of shale gas produced nationally in 2013. Few other large shale fields are set to come online, while other natural-gas projects have missed their production targets.

Hardly surprising, then, that in May China signed a $400-billion deal with Russia’s Gazprom to import 38 billion cubic metres of natural gas a year over the next three decades. That gas, figuratively if not yet literally, really is in the pipeline.

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This is the right direction. Right now, shale gas should only be developed to advance our understanding of production and technology methods, so that it will be available should there ever be a major energy disruption. It should not used to satisfy current levels of domestic demand at all. The environmental effects are too ugly.
 
Smart move.

I watched a documentary that showed pollution in Canada. It was surreal, like in some cartoon where evil is stereotyped as a land dying. It looked just like that, no trees/vegetation, pools of dirty water, mud everywhere.
Plus recent stories of increased earthquakes in shale oil/gas producing areas and rumours of chemicals going up into the water supply.
 
that sucks :(

but you all are moving on with Coal to Liquids and Coal to Gas?
just as water intensive and pollutes as well
 
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Natural gas in China: Shale game | The Economist

IN 2012 China’s main planning agency, the National Development and Reform Commission, declared that the country would produce 60 billion-100 billion cubic metres of shale gas a year in 2020. It needed those forecasts to be accurate.

They weren’t. Wu Xinxiong, the director of China’s National Energy Administration, recently predicted that only 30 billion cubic metres a year will come on stream by 2020. That would barely meet 1% of China’s energy needs now, let alone in 2020.

This is profoundly disappointing. With more than 30 trillion cubic metres of recoverable shale gas, China has the largest reserves in the world, almost 70% more than in America, home of the shale-gas revolution. It is also a setback to the country’s efforts to reduce pollution. Dirty coal now makes up about 70% of energy consumption and, despite fast growth in renewable energy, gas is the only cleanish energy source that could displace enough coal to rein in carbon emissions quickly.

China has found that replicating America’s shale strategy—even with American help—is harder than it expected. Fracking works by injecting millions of gallons of water, sand and chemicals into horizontal wells at high pressure, fracturing the shale and releasing gas. American shale seams are mostly found in easily accessible areas at quite shallow depths, and formed of rock that is easy to fracture. China’s are mostly deeper, often in inhospitable areas, and made up of rock that resists American fracking techniques. Worse, some of the biggest reserves are in regions, such as Sichuan province, that have been convulsed by seismic activity or are short of water, making fracking even tougher.

China’s two biggest state oil companies, Sinopec and China National Petroleum, have been fracking furiously, but so far only Sinopec has a commercially significant shale-gas project up and running, in Sichuan’s Fuling district. It claims the field will yield 5 billion cubic metres next year, compared with just 200m cubic metres of shale gas produced nationally in 2013. Few other large shale fields are set to come online, while other natural-gas projects have missed their production targets.

Hardly surprising, then, that in May China signed a $400-billion deal with Russia’s Gazprom to import 38 billion cubic metres of natural gas a year over the next three decades. That gas, figuratively if not yet literally, really is in the pipeline.

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This is the right direction. Right now, shale gas should only be developed to advance our understanding of production and technology methods, so that it will be available should there ever be a major energy disruption. It should not used to satisfy current levels of domestic demand at all. The environmental effects are too ugly.

Disappointing to hear this, given the benefits of fracking to our economy. Have there been any news items recently on China's efforts in renewables for the domestic market? We often hear about China's efforts for the export market, but not as much about China's use of renewables (or even targets) for domestic use, and it would be interesting to see whether the difficulty of fracking stimulates more effort in that direction.

Of course, there's always nuclear energy.
 
that sucks :(

but you all are moving on with Coal to Liquids and Coal to Gas?
just as water intensive and pollutes as well
Disappointing to hear this, given the benefits of fracking to our economy. Have there been any news items recently on China's efforts in renewables for the domestic market? We often hear about China's efforts for the export market, but not as much about China's use of renewables (or even targets) for domestic use, and it would be interesting to see whether the difficulty of fracking stimulates more effort in that direction.

Of course, there's always nuclear energy.

I'm not sure if i understand your (USA's) angle in this. Surely one less producer means one less competitor for your own shale gas? Another recent article notes that most of our shale gas deposits are in places with very high water stress:

China has more shale gas than any other country. But getting it out of the ground could be disastrous – Quartz

Anyway, China has been all over renewables. Just search up the forum.
 
I'm not sure if i understand your (USA's) angle in this. Surely one less producer means one less competitor for your own shale gas?

I have no specific loyalty to our energy companies. Lower energy costs help all economies, and China's efforts in fracking would reduce its import demand, thus reducing prices worldwide (our natural gas prices are already rock-bottom because we can't export it, so we are overwhelmed with supply--but as soon as that changes, our prices will start to rise). That's my angle on this.
 
I'm not sure if i understand your (USA's) angle in this. Surely one less producer means one less competitor for your own shale gas? Another recent article notes that most of our shale gas deposits are in places with very high water stress:

China has more shale gas than any other country. But getting it out of the ground could be disastrous – Quartz

Anyway, China has been all over renewables. Just search up the forum.

is the U.S going to be exporting shale gas?
I don't think we can compete with Qatar or Turkmenistan or w/e.
 
I have no specific loyalty to our energy companies. Lower energy costs help all economies, and China's efforts in fracking would reduce its import demand, thus reducing prices worldwide (our natural gas prices are already rock-bottom because we can't export it, so we are overwhelmed with supply--but as soon as that changes, our prices will start to rise). That's my angle on this.

makes sense. If you truly want prices to lower, write to your congressman about dropping sanctions on Iran :).

is the U.S going to be exporting shale gas?
I don't think we can compete with Qatar or Turkmenistan or w/e.

The US media has made it quite clear they intend to compete with Russia, mainly to extricate Europe from its current dependence on Russian gas.
 
The US media has made it quite clear they intend to compete with Russia, mainly to extricate Europe from its current dependence on Russian gas.

heh I think that's a crock-o-shit.
Russia gas is cheaper and closer
Shale gas costs more to get out of the ground and you want to send it across the Atlantic to compete against Russia?

seems like a fairy tale to me.
 
Disappointing to hear this, given the benefits of fracking to our economy. Have there been any news items recently on China's efforts in renewables for the domestic market? We often hear about China's efforts for the export market, but not as much about China's use of renewables (or even targets) for domestic use, and it would be interesting to see whether the difficulty of fracking stimulates more effort in that direction.

Of course, there's always nuclear energy.
I guess our views differ here. Fracking has been said by the liberal media as the reincarnation of evil. I have seen some documentaries that really shows the effects of it.

I'm not sure if that's the way to go especially given what the original objective is.
 
I guess our views differ here. Fracking has been said by the liberal media as the reincarnation of evil. I have seen some documentaries that really shows the effects of it.

I'm not sure if that's the way to go especially given what the original objective is.

All else being equal, I would agree with you that fracking is a distasteful avenue to pursue, but unfortunately, not all is equal. The state of our economy determines that the balance lies with fracking, to create jobs, lower energy costs, and reduce the trade deficit. At this point in time, it would be difficult to reverse all of these positive effects in the name of the environment. Hopefully when renewable energy costs have fallen further and are more competitive, we can re-evaluate the need for fracking, but right now, there is no good alternative. Coal is worse, and the enviro-terrorists have ruled out the best alternative of all, nuclear energy, so we have no choice.
 
It is important that research on shale gas drilling technique should not be stop. It is our bread and butter resource and should always be there when we need it.
 
Fracking has low costs due to cheap credit and subsidies. In terms of energy per dollar, without subsidies and cheap credit the fracking companies would all collapse. Photovoltaics and nuclear are far safer bets.

I think the whole fracking thing being considered good was because local politicians were thinking that West = good, West = fracking, fracking = good without remembering to take into account local conditions and to seek truth from facts.
 
Fracking has low costs due to cheap credit and subsidies. In terms of energy per dollar, without subsidies and cheap credit the fracking companies would all collapse. Photovoltaics and nuclear are far safer bets.

Source?

I think the whole fracking thing being considered good was because local politicians were thinking that West = good, West = fracking, fracking = good without remembering to take into account local conditions and to seek truth from facts.

Huh?
 

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