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CATL, BYD refuse to build teams and factories in the US dedicated to catering to Apple, Reuters reports.

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CATL, BYD refuse to build teams and factories in the US dedicated to catering to Apple, Reuters reports.

More than four months after Apple was rumored to be negotiating battery supply deals with CATL and BYD for its planned electric vehicles (EVs), the latest rumors say the talks have largely stalled.

The iPhone maker's talks with CATL and BYD to supply power cell supplies to its EVs have largely stalled because they have refused to build teams and factories in the US dedicated to catering to Apple, Reuters reported today, citing people familiar with the matter.

The companies informed Apple at some point in the past two months that they could not meet the request. But Apple has not given up hope of resuming talks with CATL or BYD, the report said.

Chinese battery makers are more advanced than competitors in the development of cheaper lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries, a battery technology that sources familiar with the matter previously said Apple preferred, according to the report.

CATL and BYD are the two power battery suppliers with the highest market share in China.

Data released earlier this month by the China Automotive Battery Innovation Alliance showed that CATL had 46.79 GWh of installed capacity in China from January to September, ranking first with a 50.8 percent market share.

BYD ranked second with 14.73 GWh of installed power batteries in China during the same period, with a 16 percent market share.

Reuters reported that CATL is reluctant to have a plant in the US due to political tensions between the US and China and cost concerns and that it has also found it difficult to find enough people to set up a dedicated product development team for Apple.

BYD has an LFP plant in Lancaster, California, but it has refused to build a new plant and team to focus exclusively on Apple, the report said.

That means Apple is already considering Japanese battery makers and sent a team to Japan this month, the report added.

In June, a Reuters report mentioned that Apple was in talks with CATL and BYD about supplying batteries for its planned EVs.

Apple requires potential battery suppliers to establish a production base in the US, the report said, adding that CATL was reluctant to build a plant in the US because of tensions between China and the US.

Apple favors the cheaper lithium iron phosphate batteries, the report said.

In April, local media outlet xuangubao.cn reported that CATL provided samples of ternary lithium batteries for Apple's car project.

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BYD reportedly has secured 10 GWh of LFP battery orders from Tesla


byd and catl have a lot of big customers. apple ant all that. :D










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Japan is going to be too expensive for Apple as far as labor cost.

Third developing country may need to be involved by Japan if Chinese cos. refuse to build a battery plant in the US.

All bets are off on which country though....
 
Japan is going to be too expensive for Apple as far as labor cost.

Third developing country may need to be involved by Japan if Chinese cos. refuse to build a battery plant in the US.

All bets are off on which country though....
making products exclusively just for one company is dangerous. they make you rich now, but in the future you'll be at their mercy. they will dictate whatever price they want in the future and if you don't like it, they'll leave you with no customer like apple did to that british gpu company.
 
making products exclusively just for one company is dangerous. they make you rich now, but in the future you'll be at their mercy. they will dictate whatever price they want in the future and if you don't like it, they'll leave you with no customer like apple did to that british gpu company.

The main reason, however, is Apple requires CATL and BYD to build factories in the US to supply its EV's. With the predictable US government of its unpredictable sanction-happy culture, no sane company wants to establish any base there if the technology is unique and world-leading in some way. If the company manufactures shoes, sure, go ahead and build a plant in New Mexico, in Alabama, and Virginia. The technology is not world leading, thus not 'threatening the national security' of the United States of Sanctions. If you design, build, and sell any unique technology, stay away from the Bitch of Sanctions.
 
The main reason, however, is Apple requires CATL and BYD to build factories in the US to supply its EV's. With the predictable US government of its unpredictable sanction-happy culture, no sane company wants to establish any base there if the technology is unique and world-leading in some way. If the company manufactures shoes, sure, go ahead and build a plant in New Mexico, in Alabama, and Virginia. The technology is not world leading, thus not 'threatening the national security' of the United States of Sanctions. If you design, build, and sell any unique technology, stay away from the Bitch of Sanctions.
Exactly. Keep distance from US. Not even a branch company should be located in US. Otherwise any innovation or technology breakthrough made by the company will be regarded as "American technology".
 
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making products exclusively just for one company is dangerous. they make you rich now, but in the future you'll be at their mercy. they will dictate whatever price they want in the future and if you don't like it, they'll leave you with no customer like apple did to that british gpu company.

You're just looking at the issue through a normal lens of commercialism, not that that takes consideration of the geopolitical risk of building a tech-producing factory in the US of Sanctions.
 
Japan is going to be too expensive for Apple as far as labor cost.

Third developing country may need to be involved by Japan if Chinese cos. refuse to build a battery plant in the US.

All bets are off on which country though....
Batteries are no longer manually wound anywhere in the world in 2021. Battery production is nearly all robotised at biggest manufacturers.
 
As we all know, the battery quality of iPhone. So I think Apple electric cars should be able to accept batteries of the same quality.
 
Japan is going to be too expensive for Apple as far as labor cost.

Third developing country may need to be involved by Japan if Chinese cos. refuse to build a battery plant in the US.

All bets are off on which country though....
Could India be an option and If not then what will be the deal breaker? Just curious.
 

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