Any of the chinese jets are still yet to prove their air worthiness, even though the chinese can build jets on a large scale, the chinese are still yet to prove they can build a reliable jet engine, china still has to depend on russia for engines.
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Only when American military want to tell its congress to appropriate more funds to build better planes. Any air encounter between American system against Russian ones will be like the Mariana Turkey shoot for American planes.
German Luftwaffe beat US fighters like F16 and F18 Hornets with old Mig 29s in dogfights, Rafale beat nearly any US fighter, EF showed superiority of F15s several times..., no to mention that the US lost even several fighters against Russian counterparts in wars, so it's not like they are unbeatable, or only the US can develop good fighters.Or when you don't have a bias towards the US.German Luftwaffe beat US fighters like F16 and F18 Hornets with old Mig 29s in dogfights, Rafale beat nearly any US fighter, EF showed superiority of F15s several times..., no to mention that the US lost even several fighters against Russian counterparts in wars, so it's not like they are unbeatable, or only the US can develop good fighters.
Or when you don't have a bias towards the US.German Luftwaffe beat US fighters like F16 and F18 Hornets with old Mig 29s in dogfights, Rafale beat nearly any US fighter, EF showed superiority of F15s several times..., no to mention that the US lost even several fighters against Russian counterparts in wars, so it's not like they are unbeatable, or only the US can develop good fighters.
same applies to MKI hasnt seen any real actions yet so still yet to prove its air worthness```Any of the chinese jets are still yet to prove their air worthiness, even though the chinese can build jets on a large scale, the chinese are still yet to prove they can build a reliable jet engine, china still has to depend on russia for engines.
As I said before, when the military wants more funding, American planes would start to lose in these exercises. But in real life, American planes are a generation ahead of others. No planes can fly any where in the world without American permission.
And same can be said for PAF f-16 A/B beating EF-2000 Luftwaffe thrice in Turkey during an exercise, depends upon pilots alot
Oh now it was Luftwaffe EFs? Last time it was Italian, or even RAF EFs and it wasn't PAFs F16 A/B, but Turkish F16 B50s, flown by PAF pilots. Not to mention that all this is based on statements of an unnamed pilot, which basically is nothing else but a rumor, unless PAF or at least the Turkish airforce confirms which pilots flew the fighters, because otherwhise it could have been Turkish pilots as well.you know if you haven't responded to your earlier claims why would anyone take anything you say seriously ? From what I know is that Chinese are still working on the engines to increase their life time. When we see a squadron or half I might just believe it. Until then we can assume the Chinese are still working on the spool time.same applies to MKI hasnt seen any real actions yet so still yet to prove its air worthness```
in terms of chinese jet engines``i guess you still sticking your head in the past, the lastest J-11Bs and J-10Bs came out with WS-10 not russian ones`
Oh now it was Luftwaffe EFs? Last time it was Italian, or even RAF EFs and it wasn't PAFs F16 A/B, but Turkish F16 B50s, flown by PAF pilots. Not to mention that all this is based on statements of an unnamed pilot, which basically is nothing else but a rumor, unless PAF or at least the Turkish airforce confirms which pilots flew the fighters, because otherwhise it could have been Turkish pilots as well.
I dont remember when i had seen you in USAFOnly when American military want to tell its congress to appropriate more funds to build better planes. Any air encounter between American system against Russian ones will be like the Mariana Turkey shoot for American planes.
.same applies to MKI hasnt seen any real actions yet so still yet to prove its air worthness```
in terms of chinese jet engines``i guess you still sticking your head in the past, the lastest J-11Bs and J-10Bs came out with WS-10 not russian ones`
I agree that your planes cant fly with out US permission but it doesnt mean it applies for every other ones.As I said before, when the military wants more funding, American planes would start to lose in these exercises. But in real life, American planes are a generation ahead of others. No planes can fly any where in the world without American permission.
Haha---I've heard enough crap from SU30MKi fans - now comes another joke - SU30 can shot down 5th Generation Fighters!!



Haha---I've heard enough crap from SU30MKi fans - now comes another joke - SU30 can shot down 5th Generation Fighters!!