Bundeswehr dismisses Muslim soldier because he did not want to shake hands with female

[Indus Pakistan]

And no this forum doesn't represent the views of most pakistanis whether it's in the east or west.

Your a British Muslim I would think and consider nationalism haram anyway.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Your a British Muslim I would think and consider nationalism haram anyway.

Classic example of PDF boys vs real **** boysz

 

[m52k85]

They are mostly failed rejects who are at bottom of the feed chain in UK. Dejected, rejected, failed and living in self inflicted ghettos they start living in a utopian world of make believe mostly involving some ummah pipedream and under the protection afforded to them of British liberal society they will convert into a proto Arab bediouns wearing Arab style gowns ticking their crotches as they walk along to the local mosque all the while smoking some class A drugs and eyeing up some crack addicted whores from the failed white trash.

If they were sent to UAE for few days and got the Arab "Miskeen" treatment they would be disabused of the ummah dreams and beg for her majesty's government to bring them back.

May I ask what counts as islamic knowledge/ source for you? we will take from there. No name calling please. Let's keep this academic.

 

[Numerous]

Your a British Muslim I would think and consider nationalism haram anyway.

Think you've posted that video a few times with regards to me already. As I mentioned before it seems to be some minority anjem chaudary group (since one of the guys is that abu haleema guy), they have nothing to do with most Muslims here.

And the people opposite them were shouting something like pakistan ka matlib La ilaha illallah anyway. I don't think you'd like them very much either.

Stop preaching your "UK made Islam" to me, we don't think in this way. Our Islam in our Pakistani society has always been "flexible", we don't believe in rigid stupidity like you. Our ancestors have always practiced a flexible form of Islam for centuries, no space for rigid radicalized Extremist stupid UK type of Islam in Pakistan.

These hadith have existed for over a thousand years. Go Pakistan and ask your local scholar, he'll say the same thing.

No, it's just that unfortunately some of you have adopted western beliefs. When you come across islamic beliefs which disagree with you, then you are left with a hard choice with giving up your long held beliefs. Some change. Others unfortunately, like yourself, label the islamic beliefs as extremism instead. Good and bad exist in Muslims in both east and west. Some people are born in the east and they somehow end up with unislamic beliefs. Some people are born in the west and they end up with unislamic beliefs. It happens unfortunately and in this particularly case, you're one of these people who have adopted some unislamic beliefs. So you being raised in pakistan means nothing tbh.

Ignore me. Ignore the UK. Next time you're in Pak, go to tonnes of local shaykhs and ask for their opinion. See what they say and then come and tell me whether this is a UK belief.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

May I ask what counts as islamic knowledge/ source for you?

Primarily the Quran and sunnah. But I must stress this much of what is passed as "Islamic knowledge" is medival Arab practices and traditions dressed as Islam by ignorant Mullahs who don't know the differance between anus and vagina.

My inspiration in this regard is primarily Sir Allama Iqbal and his The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam wherein he talks of the need reinterpreting Islam in light of the contemperory world and challanges faces by the present generations. This would require Islam being shorn of Arab medievalism or words to that effect by the Allama himself. If you want I can cite you exact paragraph or you might want to read it below yourself. Erdogans Turkey has already began a project inspired by Allama Iqbal.


http://www.iqbalcyberlibrary.net/en/645.html

Turkish Hadith Project. Under President Erdogan

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld...ophet-mohammads-sayings-for-the-21st-century/

 

[m52k85]

Primarily the Quran and sunnah. But I must stress this much of what is passed as "Islamic knowledge" is medival Arab practices and traditions dressed as Islam by ignorant Mullahs who don't know the differance between anus and vagina.

My inspiration in this regard is primarily Sir Allama Iqbal and his The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam wherein he talks of the need reinterpreting Islam in light of the contemperory world and challanges faces by the present generations. This would require Islam being shorn of Arab medievalism or words to that effect by the Allama himself. If you want I can cite you exact paragraph or you might want to read it below yourself. Erdogans Turkey has already began a project inspired by Allama Iqbal.


http://www.iqbalcyberlibrary.net/en/645.html

Turkish Hadith Project. Under President Erdogan

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld...ophet-mohammads-sayings-for-the-21st-century/

OK. Please excuse me if I don't go through the links you have posted right now, its late here. So what are your comments about the hadith posted by @Numerous ?

Please feel free to say the answer is in the links.. I will then hopefully (try) to get back to it.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I must state here that most of the ghetto Muslims" [read reject/deject third gen Pakistan migrants who came to feed their hungry behinds to UK] have no respect or admiration for Pakistan's ideologue ~ Sir Allama Iqbal. Let alone his books or call for reinterpreting Islam. Instead they are owned by some mullah who himself will be owned some Arab radical strain. They then lap up this ridicalous mix of rejection politics and ummahism. Then masticate other bros, assorted bunch of niggers, whites, Arab polital asylum seeker all losers. The fringe from this group will blow or go stab someby in some vain attempt to bring the evil west down all the while feeding from the trough provided by those very evil societies.

So what are your comments about the hadith posted by @Numerous ?

Do not be offended if I leave that for tommorow. Tired and don't have energy to really engage in deep discussion. Certainly on your request I will look at them and reply tommorow.

Evening/Salaam.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I must state here that most of the ghetto Muslims" [read reject/deject third gen Pakistan migrants who came to feed their hungry behinds to UK] have no respect or admiration for Pakistan's ideologue ~ Sir Allama Iqbal. Let alone his books or call for reinterpreting Islam. Instead they are owned by some mullah who himself will be owned some Arab radical strain. They then lap up this ridicalous mix of rejection politics and ummahism. Then masticate other bros, assorted bunch of niggers, whites, Arab polital asylum seeker all losers. The fringe from this group will blow or go stab someby in some vain attempt to bring the evil west down all the while feeding from the trough provided by those very evil societies.

Do not be offended if I leave that for tommorow. Tired and don't have energy to really engage in deep discussion. Certainly on your request I will look at them and reply tommorow.

Evening/Salaam.

((Yanks)) be like perfect cannon fodder

 

[Numerous]

I must state here that most of the ghetto Muslims" [read reject/deject third gen Pakistan migrants who came to feed their hungry behinds to UK] have no respect or admiration for Pakistan's ideologue ~ Sir Allama Iqbal. Let alone his books or call for reinterpreting Islam. Instead they are owned by some mullah who himself will be owned some Arab radical strain. They then lap up this ridicalous mix of rejection politics and ummahism. Then masticate other bros, assorted bunch of niggers, whites, Arab polital asylum seeker all losers. The fringe from this group will blow or go stab someby in some vain attempt to bring the evil west down all the while feeding from the trough provided by those very evil societies.

That's not really true. Most scholars who I've come across actually tend to respect Allama Iqbal when they mention him even if they don't agree with everything he ever said.

 

[m52k85]

I must state here that most of the ghetto Muslims" [read reject/deject third gen Pakistan migrants who came to feed their hungry behinds to UK] have no respect or admiration for Pakistan's ideologue ~ Sir Allama Iqbal. Let alone his books or call for reinterpreting Islam. Instead they are owned by some mullah who himself will be owned some Arab radical strain. They then lap up this ridicalous mix of rejection politics and ummahism. Then masticate other bros, assorted bunch of niggers, whites, Arab polital asylum seeker all losers. The fringe from this group will blow or go stab someby in some vain attempt to bring the evil west down all the while feeding from the trough provided by those very evil societies.

Yes unfortunate will be those who go down that road, but it is not good practice to stereotype. I have just one sher of Allama Iqbal saved on my phone, amongst the many i have come accross. Here's a link to it:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZU9ldcWAAArGgn.jpg
"kheera na kar saka mujhe.." (incase the link doesnt work, just google these words)

Do not be offended if I leave that for tommorow. Tired and don't have energy to really engage in deep discussion. Certainly on your request I will look at them and reply tommorow.

Evening/Salaam.

Good night/ Salaam.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

a Higher Administrative Court has confirms judgment of an administrative court that the dismissal is correct.

A soldier of the Bundeswehr has failed with a lawsuit against his dismissal. He had refused to shake hands with women. According to the Bundeswehr, this would have damaged the reputation of the troops.

The refusal to shake hands with women on religious grounds justifies the dismissal of a time soldier. The Higher Administrative Court of Rhineland-Palatinate in Koblenz rejected the complaint of a former soldier in a decision published on Thursday. The dismissal was based on a violation of military duties and not on a prejudice of Muslims, decided the judges.
Continuing employment would have damaged the reputation of the Bundeswehr

The plaintiff was since 2015 a time soldier. In 2017, the military screening service provided insights into a man's allegedly extremist attitude. He converted to Islam and changed his appearance and behavior. There is a suspicion that the soldier is in a process of radicalization. In a survey, the plaintiff testified that it was up to him if he did not shake hands with women. In May 2018, the soldier was released. The appeal of the plaintiff, the Higher Administrative Court now rejected.

The administrative court had rightly dismissed the claim, judges ruled. Through his religiously justified refusal to shake hands with women, he violates the duty to stand up for the free democratic basic order. In addition, he violated the duty of respectful and trustworthy behavior. A continued employment of the soldier would have seriously endangered the military order and the reputation of the Bundeswehr.
Operational capability of the army endangered

The former soldier claimed to have worked well with women and to respect them. According to his own statements, the plaintiff also gives other people his hand for hygienic reasons only in exceptional cases. The reasons given by him for his behavior towards women in view of his consistent turn to Islam only protection claims, judges ruled. The attitude of the plaintiff contradicts the equality of man and woman in the Basic Law.

Irrespective of the fact that there is no provision for a welcome by handshake, the behavior of the plaintiff justifies the assumption that he does not sufficiently respect female comrades and jeopardizes the operational capability of the Bundeswehr. There is considerable doubt that a soldier who shuts hands with women is ready to stand up for female soldiers.

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten...frauen-den-handschlag-und-wird-entlassen.html

Islamophobia at works

So why are you in NL? Is it cause you cant make it in your original homeland cause there is no social care?

btw.: ALL religions lie.

@waz @The Eagle @Dubious
Why are such islamophobic members allowed to spit venom on this forum?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If he doesn't like German society he could always go to the one which is closer to his teachings like Somalia, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

Is it allowed in Islam?
Is “not” shaking hands such a terrible thing?
He was a soldier not a shrink to help the woman deal with her fuckin problems.

Meh, how you all different from extremist fuks?
Like them you are also extremists.

So why are you in NL? Is it cause you cant make it in your original homeland cause there is no social care?

btw.: ALL religions lie.

Prolly coz he was born there? Is shaking a womans hands part of some fuking ritual?

We muslims are also not allowed to look at na mehrum women. While your culture allows you to things considered vulgar in our religion and culture.

I mean come on!

Isnt following your funking laws and living life of a law abiding citizen enough for you?

Why do you want to force your way of life on others? Live and let live jimmy!

Islamophobia at works


@waz @The Eagle @Dubious
Why are such islamophobic members allowed to spit venom on this forum?

Im not religious not even a practising muslim.

But wtf is wrong with these libtards? Cant live with a guy following his religion? For fuk sakes that guy was a soldier protecting his fukin country that cant live with the fact that the mans following his faith?

You guys born and living in UK are all radicalized fundamentalists, I am born and grown in Pakistan in the "islamic society" and I have no problem shaking hands with a woman, we in Pakistan spit on the faces of "fundamentalist retards" who try to make "an issue of islam" out of simple things like shaking hands with a woman.

There are people who have no problems with their sisters dating and having pre martial sex either.

Now shakin womans hand is also a choice apart from what the religion says.

Doesnt make em right either.

And who the fk is “we”?

 

[Crusher]

Is it allowed in Islam?


And who the fk is “we”?

"we" means excluding suspicious/fake characters like you, I have been tracking your fakery for years on this forum mr. imaginary "marri baloch" , go to ignore list good bye ta ta

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

"we" means excluding suspicious/fake characters like you, I have been following your fakery for years on this forum mr. imaginary "marri baloch" , go to ignore list good bye ta ta

Im flattered. Somebody following me for years. Thats cute.


Liberal ... talking about his own brand of Islam.

 

[BATMAN]

So why are you in NL? Is it cause you cant make it in your original homeland cause there is no social care?

btw.: ALL religions lie.

No most of the Turkish were invited in Germany as labor, during the industrial revolution of 60's.

Actually you never came across true Islam, because all you read around about Islam is a big lie.