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British Muslims Raise Thousands For Poppy Appeal

That's nonsense. Anyone who knows Britain or has to watch the British TV media knows that the poppy IS politicized by British nationalists. In fact there's a kind of poppy fascism on British TV--everyone from newscasters to weathermen to fashion correspondents to dog show reviewers has to flaunt a big fat poppy in front of the camera.

Personally I'd like to see an appropriate memorial designed for all the tens of thousands of people that Indian troops like your forefathers in British uniforms killed in WW1 and elsewhere

You are seriously jumping from one thing to another, now you want to see an "appropriate" memorial designed for Indian troops, but what is wrong with the current one? Do you even know what the background to the poppy is? And Indian troops are included in the remembrance.

What is wrong with people wanting wear poppies when on T.V etc? No one is forced, trust me. Some people don't wear it, some people even wear white ones, stop making things up.
 
You are seriously jumping from one thing to another, now you want to see an "appropriate" memorial designed for Indian troops, but what is wrong with the current one? Do you even know what the background to the poppy is? And Indian troops are included in the remembrance.

What is wrong with people wanting wear poppies when on T.V etc? No one is forced, trust me. Some people don't wear it, some people even wear white ones, stop making things up.

Read my post again :

Personally I'd like to see an appropriate memorial designed for all the tens of thousands of people that Indian troops like your forefathers in British uniforms killed in WW1 and elsewhere

Source: British Muslims Raise Thousands For Poppy Appeal
 
Read my post again :

Personally I'd like to see an appropriate memorial designed for all the tens of thousands of people that Indian troops like your forefathers in British uniforms killed in WW1 and elsewhere

Source: British Muslims Raise Thousands For Poppy Appeal

And I still don't understand what the point of your post is, especially since I have already stated that the poppy symbolises all the British troops, not just White English ones. You are intent on nit picking.
 
Salute :pakistan:James Mclean open letter for not wearing a poppy .

FULL TEXT OF THE WINGER'S LETTER TO WIGAN CHAIRMAN DAVE WHELAN

Dear Mr Whelan

I wanted to write to you before talking about this face to face and explain my reasons for not wearing a poppy on my shirt for the game at Bolton.

I have complete respect for those who fought and died in both World Wars - many I know were Irish-born. I have been told that your own Grandfather Paddy Whelan, from Tipperary, was one of those.

I mourn their deaths like every other decent person and if the Poppy was a symbol only for the lost souls of World War I and II I would wear one.

I want to make that 100% clear .You must understand this.

But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me.

For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different. Please understand, Mr Whelan, that when you come from Creggan like myself or the Bogside, Brandywell or the majority of places in Derry, every person still lives in the shadow of one of the darkest days in Ireland’s history – even if like me you were born nearly 20 years after the event. It is just a part of who we are, ingrained into us from birth.

Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII.

It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people.

I am not a war monger, or anti-British, or a terrorist or any of the accusations levelled at me in the past. I am a peaceful guy, I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs which I respect and ask for people to respect mine in return. Since last year, I am a father and I want my daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, like any parent.

I am very proud of where I come from and I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong. In life, if you’re a man you should stand up for what you believe in.

I know you may not agree with my feelings but I hope very much that you understand my reasons.

As the owner of the club I am proud to play for, I believe I owe both you and the club’s supporters this explanation.

Yours sincerely,

James McClean



Read more: James McClean writes open letter explaining his refusal to wear a shirt with poppy in Wigan game | Daily Mail Online
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Salute :pakistan:James Mclean open letter for not wearing a poppy .

FULL TEXT OF THE WINGER'S LETTER TO WIGAN CHAIRMAN DAVE WHELAN

Dear Mr Whelan

I wanted to write to you before talking about this face to face and explain my reasons for not wearing a poppy on my shirt for the game at Bolton.

I have complete respect for those who fought and died in both World Wars - many I know were Irish-born. I have been told that your own Grandfather Paddy Whelan, from Tipperary, was one of those.

I mourn their deaths like every other decent person and if the Poppy was a symbol only for the lost souls of World War I and II I would wear one.

I want to make that 100% clear .You must understand this.

But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me.

For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different. Please understand, Mr Whelan, that when you come from Creggan like myself or the Bogside, Brandywell or the majority of places in Derry, every person still lives in the shadow of one of the darkest days in Ireland’s history – even if like me you were born nearly 20 years after the event. It is just a part of who we are, ingrained into us from birth.

Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII.

It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people.

I am not a war monger, or anti-British, or a terrorist or any of the accusations levelled at me in the past. I am a peaceful guy, I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs which I respect and ask for people to respect mine in return. Since last year, I am a father and I want my daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, like any parent.

I am very proud of where I come from and I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong. In life, if you’re a man you should stand up for what you believe in.

I know you may not agree with my feelings but I hope very much that you understand my reasons.

As the owner of the club I am proud to play for, I believe I owe both you and the club’s supporters this explanation.

Yours sincerely,

James McClean



Read more: James McClean writes open letter explaining his refusal to wear a shirt with poppy in Wigan game | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
It's got nothing to do with you on the other side of the world. We, including many of our Muslim population, will honour our war dead and that's all there is to it. The Irish ambassador also laid a wreath.
 
Salute :pakistan:James Mclean open letter for not wearing a poppy .

FULL TEXT OF THE WINGER'S LETTER TO WIGAN CHAIRMAN DAVE WHELAN

Dear Mr Whelan

I wanted to write to you before talking about this face to face and explain my reasons for not wearing a poppy on my shirt for the game at Bolton.

I have complete respect for those who fought and died in both World Wars - many I know were Irish-born. I have been told that your own Grandfather Paddy Whelan, from Tipperary, was one of those.

I mourn their deaths like every other decent person and if the Poppy was a symbol only for the lost souls of World War I and II I would wear one.

I want to make that 100% clear .You must understand this.

But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me.

For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different. Please understand, Mr Whelan, that when you come from Creggan like myself or the Bogside, Brandywell or the majority of places in Derry, every person still lives in the shadow of one of the darkest days in Ireland’s history – even if like me you were born nearly 20 years after the event. It is just a part of who we are, ingrained into us from birth.

Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII.

It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people.

I am not a war monger, or anti-British, or a terrorist or any of the accusations levelled at me in the past. I am a peaceful guy, I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs which I respect and ask for people to respect mine in return. Since last year, I am a father and I want my daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, like any parent.

I am very proud of where I come from and I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong. In life, if you’re a man you should stand up for what you believe in.

I know you may not agree with my feelings but I hope very much that you understand my reasons.

As the owner of the club I am proud to play for, I believe I owe both you and the club’s supporters this explanation.

Yours sincerely,

James McClean



Read more: James McClean writes open letter explaining his refusal to wear a shirt with poppy in Wigan game | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

I respect his decision, did anyone chop his head off?
 
It's got nothing to do with you on the other side of the world. We, including many of our Muslim population, will honour our war dead and that's all there is to it. The Irish ambassador also laid a wreath.

I'll honour OUR dead from the same servicemen you glorify .

R.I.P My Forefathers

1. British Indian Holocaust ( 10 million killed in post-1857 Indian Mutiny reprisals; 1 million starved, 1895-1897 Indian Famine; 6-9 million starved, 1899-1900 Indian Famine; 6-7 million starved under Churchill, Bengali Holocaust 1943-1945].

In WW2 Churchill deliberately starved 6-7 million Indians to death, continued to foster Muslim-Hindu antipathy that led to the horrors of Indian Partition and persuaded his War Cabinet on racist Partition of Palestine.
 
Oh well thats Churchill, not the population of a nation. I dont wear a poppy I think its bollocks but ill respect the dead of every war, not just the soldiers, what your doing is creating sides based on history, a history where few people still alive then remain and are often full of regrets.

Give it up and respect all the dead of the wars, do you think your average soldier who was comparable to any average citizen ina nation that is someone forced to go to war and die by the hands of others, a soldiers death was no different to that of an Indian who died as they were both caught up in the same mess.

To put things in perspective we both lost about 1.5% of our population, Germans 10-15% and more for the soviets, how many millions of people also died at these peoples hands from being impoverished, forced to work or in various gulags/concentration camps...millions. War was the game then and they all played it, being a 3rd world country means you got played the worst hand, although percentage wise the population was not affected as it did to the Germans and Russians which took a while to get back whereas our populations grew. Its nothing personal like your trying to make it out to be, most people cant even name a battle in WW2 apart from Normandy let alone learn about millions of deaths in India when many millions more were happening next to them which they also dont really know much about.

You have an issue with something that is now defunct and a man that has long been dead, Indians flourish here and most enjoy their life far more than almost any Indian could so its a long path with some bad roads but ultimately we will all learn from these mistakes of the past and unify, the world has come a long way and you sound as if you are full of bitterness for something which no one alive can be held to account for.
 
You didn't get any alerts for my posts in this thread ? :o:

Just read your comments. I knew you would support your fellow Lahoris. What would it take for a Karachite like me to win over a Lahori Butt sahib on my side?

I don't know about the guesses on population of Ahmadis world wide. We seriously need to get more accurate data though. Most of converts are from Africa, and the problem is many live in remote areas, there is no way to to be certain how many there are. It will take some time for accurate data to come out.
 

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