Break Thru ? Doval-Yang meeting calls for acceleration of boundary talks

[navtrek]

WE had multi lateral Chini Hindi bhai bhai before they surprised nehru by invading into Aksai Chin. What will you call it ?

I call it Nehru's stupidity he was naive. And his decisions has put the nation to shame.

 

[SelfServeFive]

Nothing was agreed. War is the only option. A nuclear strike on New Delhi will end the war quickly.

 

[singh sahab]

Nothing was agreed. War is the only option. A nuclear strike on New Delhi will end the war quickly.

@mods Please look into this guys posts. He is here just trolling.

 

[utraash]

There is no breakthrough, they are preparing ground for next level talks ....

China recognises power and only power. It salami slices bits of Asia as it power grows and India's response should be to discuss the practicalities of MANAGING the dispute, not its settlement.

It cannot be settled because it goes against the most fundamental tenet of Chinas foreign policy which will not change until it meets a superior force.

Well said brother....

 

[Echo_419]

Doval-Yang meeting calls for acceleration of boundary talks | idrw.org

What can we expect ? Do we really going to solve our borders problems with some sort of solutions . Or China is trying to do the same as it did with Nehru in 1960-1962 back stabbing . Hope there won't be any questions about decreased patrol or less troops deployment . China should accept Mc Mohan line and call it a day of new friendship. I know am going too much into it but . It's a fair deal . Same like 19^47 . Nothing will change in India unless this happens . Or entire negotiations are just waste of time for another few years for India to modernise its military might against Chinese.

The Chinese didn't back stabbed us ,it was our very own Congress Party

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There has to be a give and take solution. You can't expect a one sided approach.

A solution of the Sino-Indian border question is not a mere technical matter but rather a political and a strategic issue whose ramifications go well beyond the bilateral field. If the Sino-Indian boundary question was merely a technical matter, it would have been resolved a long time ago

However, it is not as if there are no solutions possible, but there has to be a will, a reason and an inclination to settle the dispute.

The Chinese respect & Value power,we need to solve this dispute ASAP every year we are loosing ground & the Chinese Position is getting stronger

 

[Turingsage]

The Chinese didn't back stabbed us ,it was our very own Congress Party



The Chinese respect & Value power,we need to solve this dispute ASAP every year we are loosing ground & the Chinese Position is getting stronger

You just dont get it. There is NO SETTLEMENT without conceding to everything that China wants. Of course China claims more than it wants, as a face saving way to entice India to capitulate. China is indeed outpacing India and may indeed continue to do so in the forseable future. This is where a nations mettle is tested, it should spur India to reform and catch up. China's economy WILL go into a more steady state and lower growth trajectory within a decade and stay there, India's challenge is to match those 2 decades of phenomenal growth in the coming decades and build a group of reliable and friendly partners that discourages any adventure by China

 

[Echo_419]

You just dont get it. There is NO SETTLEMENT without conceding to everything that China wants. Of course China claims more than it wants, as a face saving way to entice India to capitulate. China is indeed outpacing India and may indeed continue to do so in the forseable future. This is where a nations mettle is tested, it should spur India to reform and catch up. China's economy WILL go into a more steady state and lower growth trajectory within a decade and stay there, India's challenge is to match those 2 decades of phenomenal growth in the coming decades and build a group of reliable and friendly partners that discourages any adventure by China

I am more of guy that believes in what happens in the present & the reality right now is we are growing slower than China & the sooner a solution is signed & agreed on the better it will be for us & I only support a solution in which we will retain the control of AP

 

[SelfServeFive]

The Chinese respect & Value power,we need to solve this dispute ASAP every year we are loosing ground & the Chinese Position is getting stronger

Of course we are getting stronger. We are already six times bigger economically than India and growing much faster. Even during our weakest year we annihilated Indian army. Now it's not 1962 anymore! Our military is even more overpowering. When war begins, our PLA will attack New Delhi by land and PLAN marines will land in Mumbai.

 

[Genesis]

I am more of guy that believes in what happens in the present & the reality right now is we are growing slower than China & the sooner a solution is signed & agreed on the better it will be for us & I only support a solution in which we will retain the control of AP

that seems unlikely, not because we want AP, but because of the message that sends to others. Indo China border, whether you admit it or not, is not the most pressing matter at hand for China, to set a precedent for it here is not in our interest.

The China seas will come first. This will be shelved for later discussion.

though it shouldn't affect things, as both of us have other priorities.

 

[Echo_419]

that seems unlikely, not because we want AP, but because of the message that sends to others. Indo China border, whether you admit it or not, is not the most pressing matter at hand for China, to set a precedent for it here is not in our interest.

The China seas will come first. This will be shelved for later discussion.

though it shouldn't affect things, as both of us have other priorities.

On our Part AP is Absolutely Nonnegotiable,the best we can do is give up our claim on Aksai Chin & you give up yours on AP

 

[Genesis]

On our Part AP is Absolutely Nonnegotiable,the best we can do is give up our claim on Aksai Chin & you give up yours on AP

If anybody thinks China has designs on AP is insane, for one, India even as is, will inflict a damage on China that's not acceptable, the main goal for China at this point is to carve a space for China in the global order, everything else is secondary.

India will soon find out, countries like ours, cannot live under another world power and be really developed, there's only so much you can do without the prestige required to go to the next level.

The final solution will be status quo more or less, but for now that isn't ideal.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

If anybody thinks China has designs on AP is insane, for one, India even as is, will inflict a damage on China that's not acceptable, .

And the same goes for Aksai Chin. India neither has capabilities nor the will (even under the present government which can be considered the most nationalistic in India right now) to do anything silly to attempt taking Aksai Chin back. Most of the successive governments have been sane enough to understand the reality and accept to status quo.

I don't think the real issue for India is Aksai Chin in its entirety - but it is the frequent Chinese excursions across the LAC even beyond Aksai Chin that are perceived as not only provocations but also an expansionist mindset in India.

Unfortunately, I don't see demarcating of the LAC happening anytime soon -- simply because there is nothing in it for the Chinese.

 

[Srinivas]

Nothing was agreed. War is the only option. A nuclear strike on New Delhi will end the war quickly.

 

[Genesis]

I don't think the real issue for India is Aksai Chin in its entirety - but it is the frequent Chinese excursions across the LAC even beyond Aksai Chin that are perceived as not only provocations but also an expansionist mindset in India.

A lot of things can be explained by simply looking at things, who are the most active reporters? Who's tone is the most damaging to the current government?

I don't know much about India, but I do know democratic media, they don't all have an agenda, but a lot of them do, and depending on who sits on the iron throne, the smear is thrown by the other side.

Did China do what it did? Maybe, but depending on how you report something it can make certain things seem, less "normal" than it otherwise is.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

A lot of things can be explained by simply looking at things, who are the most active reporters? Who's tone is the most damaging to the current government?

I don't know much about India, but I do know democratic media, they don't all have an agenda, but a lot of them do, and depending on who sits on the iron throne, the smear is thrown by the other side.

Did China do what it did? Maybe, but depending on how you report something it can make certain things seem, less "normal" than it otherwise is.

I am not ruling out the role of a "hawkish" media in sensationalizing even ordinary events, and India does have a 'hawkish" media, no doubt. But the border tensions between India and China are not uncommon and there are enough independent reports of such 'incidents'. Now as civilians, not privy to full details, all we can do here is to debate who started what.

What is clear though is that most of those incidents seem rather avoidable - which is really unfortunate, considering that we both appear to have somewhat 'sane' leaderships at the center.