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Brazil backtracks on Rafale jets, Any impact on Indian MRCA?

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Brazil backtracks on Rafale jets, Any impact on Indian MRCA?

Brazil is continuing to negotiate with all three bidders for a multi-billion dollar fighter contract despite an announcement on 7 September by the presidents of Brazil and France that the Dassault Rafale F3 had been selected.

The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Saab Gripen NG could be still allowed to "redefine" their offers for the FX-2 contract, Brazilian defence minister Nelson Jobim said in a written clarification released late on 8 September.

Jobim's statement noted that the French government had committed to deliver the Rafale "at competitive and reasonable prices, comparable to those paid by the French military".

"We have not been notified by the FX-2 commission nor anyone in the Brazilian government of any decision," Boeing says. "We will continue to work with Brazil on all aspects of the FX-2 competition pending formal notice of a final decision."

Jobim's statement contradicted remarks by presidents Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil and Nicolas Sarkozy of France on 7 September, Brazil's independence holiday. Both Sarkozy and da Silva declared that the Rafale was Brazil's preferred choice, with da Silva praising the French government's openness about transferring technology, in particular.

Brazil continues FX-2 competition, backtracks on Rafale 'selection'
 
A São Paulo-based body that represents almost 60% of Brazil's aerospace and defence companies has issued a scathing attack on the government's open support for the Dassault Rafale aircraft for F-X2 fighter contest.

In a public letter, the board of the CIESP organisation says it "is concerned with the conclusion of this [selection] process in which the meticulous, professional and serious work developed by the air force may be cast aside". The service's recommendations should "be abided and respected by the federal government", it adds.

The statement comes after local media reports early this month claimed that Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and defence minister Nelson Jobim had made a final choice after meeting Dassault and French government representatives on 30 January.

The defence ministry denies the claim, and says it is still analysing "the political, strategic and financial aspects" of the Rafale offer, plus bids based on the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Saab Gripen NG.

Declaring that "the French fighter, if chosen, represents a defeat", the CIESP has released unconfirmed details on the bids.

Including maintenance costs, these total $10.2 billion for the Rafale, $7.7 billion for the Super Hornet and $6 billion for the Gripen NG, it claims. At just 2,500 positions, the Dassault-led proposal would also provide the smallest number of new jobs, while forging yet-closer defence industrial links with Paris would be "a grievous error for a country that wishes to assure its sovereignty", it alleges.


Brazil's F-X2 contest prompts further dispute
 
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i don't think bazil has as much expertise to test a fighter plane for a proper selection in a compitition..

they are just waiting for the outcame of indian MMRCA
 
i don't think bazil has as much expertise to test a fighter plane for a proper selection in a compitition..

they are just waiting for the outcame of indian MMRCA
Not necessarily, it could be the other way round too.
Indian MRCA is clearly a fight btn, F-18, Rafale,EFT and Gripen......
 
Two Different Geography and two different requirement....

What are India’s foreseeable security threats and how must the IAF equip and train itself to face them? While Pakistan remains a lingering hangover, especially in its embrace of cross-border terrorism, it is diminishing as a full-blown military threat to India. The IAF’s most likely missions against Pakistan centre on air-to-ground strikes: punitive raids against terrorist camps or ISI locations, perhaps in retaliation for yet another terrorist outrage; or pre-emptive strikes against Pakistani ballistic missiles when a nuclear launch against India seems imminent.

A devastating ground strike capability is also primary for contingencies on the China border. With Beijing relentlessly developing roads and railways to the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the People’s Liberation Army has already built, and is increasing, the ability to amass an invading force faster than the Indian Army can rush in troops to defend the threatened area. When an attack is imminent, or some Indian territory has already been occupied, New Delhi’s immediate response would inevitably centre on air strikes against PLA forward troops and the routes on which their logistics --- ammunition, fuel, food, water and medical care --- depend. In the 1962 debacle one of New Delhi’s most unforgivable, and inexplicable, blunders was to abjure the use of air power. This time around, as evident from the rapid creation of IAF infrastructure along the China border, India’s first response will be with air strikes.

Given these requirements, it is evident that the IAF needs a highly developed ground strike capability. But the fighter pilots that dominate the pinnacle of the IAF (and every other air force) have an overriding fascination for “air supremacy fighters”. The IAF has traditionally focused less on enemy ground troops and more on that fighter-jock ambition, shooting down enemy fighters in air-to-air duels. The Indian Army has long remonstrated with the IAF over the latter’s airy neglect (pun unintentional) of the crucial ground war. There needs to be a clear realization that India’s wars --- in an environment where territorial integrity is a fundamental concern --- will be won and lost on the ground. For that reason, the IAF must be held to a ground strike capability.
 
even without buying rafale , India has already bought its avionics and engine core..
 
Given these requirements, it is evident that the IAF needs a highly developed ground strike capability. But the fighter pilots that dominate the pinnacle of the IAF (and every other air force) have an overriding fascination for “air supremacy fighters”. The IAF has traditionally focused less on enemy ground troops and more on that fighter-jock ambition, shooting down enemy fighters in air-to-air duels. The Indian Army has long remonstrated with the IAF over the latter’s airy neglect (pun unintentional) of the crucial ground war. There needs to be a clear realization that India’s wars --- in an environment where territorial integrity is a fundamental concern --- will be won and lost on the ground. For that reason, the IAF must be held to a ground strike capability.
ah broadsword!by Ajay shukla from article scrap MMRCA buy f 35.
 
i don't think bazil has as much expertise to test a fighter plane for a proper selection in a compitition..

they are just waiting for the outcame of indian MMRCA

Why should they, where is the benefit for them from MMRCA? They are searching for an strategic partner and unless the US will reduce export restrictions and offer more ToT, France is the best choice (although several Brazilians prefered the Russian offer, Su 35 now and beeing a partner on Pak Fa).
Waiting of our decision would be a stupid idea, because they would get less advantages then. Boeings recent offer to produce parts of all F18SH is the same offer, that is rumored for MMRCA and same could be said for Rafale, or Gripen. Not to mention that their aviation industry is ahead of ours and would be the better partner for such co-productions/developments.

Unless they want to cancell the whole competition again and wannt to go for stealth fighters, Rafale is still the best choice they can get and it is also likely that they would procure UAEs Mirage 2000-9 alongside Rafales. Brazilian defmin was in UAE recently and it is reported that he even tryed to convince them to buy Rafale, besides talking about the M2Ks. So the outcome of the UAE deal for Rafale, should be way more important for Brazil, then our decision on MMRCA in general.
 

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