Blacks Climing Indus Valley Civilization

[ArsalanKhan21]

They are they hard work of our ancestors from 5000 years ago

Only 5000 years ! I have read Indians claiming 100,000 year old Vedic civilization with nuclear and space age !

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The IVC extended into Afghanistan, with new discoveries being made in NWFP of late. That would make modern India the Eastern fringe of the IVC, with Afghanistan being the Western fringe, and the Indus Valley (modern day Pakistan) the center of the civlization and the main inheritor.

Not true. The biggest sites are closer to the sea (not surprisingly).

AND, I am least bothered about the present political boundaries of Pakistan.

Tomorrow when Pakistan implodes, what will happen to this claim? Will KP/Punjab/Sindh have the primary claims? I mean this delineation based on present political lines is hilarious.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Abd combined they make what 7% of Indian population? Or is it 10%,

In present Indian population , Tribals have no IVC ancestory . Rest of the population around 80 % is linked with IVC and Ganges Plains .

 

[Zibago]

1. The only claim Pakistan has is on the Western part of the ISVC.
2. Bharatvarsh will remain the main inheritor of the ISVC.

Why?

Because we follow a similar way of life.
Because most of the sites are here. Because we value it. All of us. How many new sites have you tried to find out since 47?

Just because the people of the land converted and separated does not mean they take away the culture and the history along with them.

Barcelona may get independence from Spain. Does not mean that Spain will lose claim to El Cid. The suggestion is beyond stupid to be honest.

So if you wish to claim IVSC entirely, PLEASE continue to do so. It will remain under 'Indian History' for eternity.

@Paksanity - Ganga valley civilization never existed. Because Ganga is not a valley. It is a plains.

What makes you think we dont value it?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The homeland of Aryans is in Eurasia.

Genius.

Aryavarta = Land of the Arya.

Not Aryans.

Arya = noble people.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Modern Indians didn't came from Mars . They are they hard work of our ancestors from 5000 years ago

I'm not saying they did - just as the argument that all of the IVC just packed up and left, making sure they crossed the yet to be defined borers of contemporary Pakistan and India, into India, is absurd, so is the argument that human and cultural migration did not continue.

Without an accurate genetic analysis of people of the IVC, compared to the genetic makeup of modern day Pakistanis and Indians, we can't validate either claim, but what we do know is that the IVC was centered on what is today Pakistan.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yes, and the political rallies are cool too. Even parties love them.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Only 5000 years ! I have read Indians claiming 100,000 year old Vedic civilization with nuclear and space age !

 

[SarthakGanguly]

just as the argument that all of the IVC just packed up and left

No. They stayed. A part of them left only during the Partition. The ones before had and have links all over South Asia.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Either you are confused or you are confusing everybody here-

1- Do you consider present day Pakistan as India before 1947 ?

No - my use of the terms 'India' and 'Indian' are only made in reference to the country established in 1947. The individual I was responding to is an Indian troll (irrespective of the flags he's displaying) and therefore when he states 'ours' I can only assume he is making claims about 'descendants of dalits and Arab blood' on behalf of modern day Indians.

 

[Zibago]

Yes, and the political rallies are cool too. Even parties love them.

And how is it related to my comment?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

In present Indian population , Tribals have no IVC ancestory . Rest of the population around 80 % is linked with IVC and Ganges Plains .

Genetics state that all Indians TODAY have pretty much the same ancestry.

 

[Zibago]

@SarthakGanguly
Do you know about the predecessor of ivc?
Mherghar: A 10,000 years old civilization in Pakistan - By Sohail Taj

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Without an accurate genetic analysis of people of the IVC, compared to the genetic makeup of modern day Pakistanis and Indians, we can't validate either claim, but what we do know is that the IVC was centered on what is today Pakistan.

There are skeletons found to do DNA analysis. The Indians usually burned their dead so hard to find many burials to do proper DNA analysis of all communities. If 5000 years in future a civilization did DNA analysis of the skeletons found in India then the sample will be skewed as 95% of burials are Muslims and 5% Christians.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Tomorrow when Pakistan implodes, what will happen to this claim? Will KP/Punjab/Sindh have the primary claims? I mean this delineation based on present political lines is hilarious.

If India and Pakistan implode into multiple independent States, then the States with boundaries that encompass critical parts of the IVC will have claims on that history based on the extent of the presence of critical parts of the IVC within their political boundaries.

The Pakistani argument here is consistent, and doesn't become invalid in the case of a balkanization of India and Pakistan.