BJP acts to end beef shortage in Goa: Starts importing meat from Maharashtra, Karnataka

[SarthakGanguly]

Manifestos mention lots of things, how many are fulfilled? Let's see how they perform on their promises on development.
And yes, I feel the government's focus is shifting from development to Hindutva, since I didn't vote for Hindutva, my preferences will shift if this goes on, and I am sure I am not alone who is thinking like this.

I have shifted to Congress. A Manifesto is a pledge. They are not fulfilled because of various reasons like -

i. Lack of strength
ii. Lack of conviction
iii. Political majboori

BJP is doing what it promised the nation. But I don't support it anymore. Pro Hindu stance is something that I can't tolerate. So I have shifted my support to the Congress.

Ban beef please leave Chicken Alone

BEEF is not banned in India. Slaughter of cow is.

Let's see how they perform on their promises on development.

You took 1 year out of 5 to judge a party. Fair enough. I hope you show better benchmarks when my favored Party (INC)comes to power. At least they are secular.

 

[Ind4Ever]

@SarthakGanguly as far as chicken is not banned am happy

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@SarthakGanguly as far as chicken is not banned am happy

That is not the best way...you are being opportunistic.
Food itself should not be banned. No food - including human. But slaughtering human or cow for food is bad. Why?
What’s the beef with red meat? - Harvard Health
Protein | The Nutrition Source | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

This is one major reason -
Raising beef creates more pollution than raising pork, poultry, dairy, or eggs - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publications

The costs are too high for bigger animals.

 

[dray]

I have shifted to Congress. A Manifesto is a pledge. They are not fulfilled because of various reasons like -

i. Lack of strength
ii. Lack of conviction
iii. Political majboori

BJP is doing what it promised the nation. But I don't support it anymore. Pro Hindu stance is something that I can't tolerate. So I have shifted my support to the Congress.
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That's not a pro-Hindu stance, that's a pro-Hindutva stance, it is like 'they and their enemies', unfortunately their enemies are also Indians.

BEEF is not banned in India. Slaughter of cow is.

In Maharashtra beef is banned, even possession of it is jail-able offence. And 'cow' slaughter is already banned in most parts of India for a long time now, what was the need to ban slaughter of bull & bullocks apart from serving a political agenda and targeting some minorities? The excuses were all lame.

You took 1 year out of 5 to judge a party. Fair enough. I hope you show better benchmarks when my favored Party (INC)comes to power. At least they are secular.

Morning shows the day, so far things are not going well in terms of religious radicalism. Even today I will vote for BJP in centre, but not for long if things don't change track. Let's see if RSS can help BJP win Loksabha elections with only Hindutva votes, or it remains a 'cow-belt' party.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That's not a pro-Hindu stance

It is. Entirely a pro Hindu stance. Only Hindu and Jain organizations (and BJP) wanted this in Maha. No other orgs did.

In Maharashtra beef is banned, even possession of it is jail-able offence. And 'cow' slaughter is already banned in most parts of India for a long time now, what was the need to ban slaughter of bull & bullocks apart from serving a political agenda and targeting some minorities?

You are talking about an issue in Maharashtra and extrapolating to the rest of India. The High Courts have also become pro Hindu and refused the complaints from the Muslim organizations.

Morning shows the day, so far things are not going well in terms of religious radicalism

True. Hindu radicalism is the biggest threat India faces today. Rahulji said the same. Why still sit on the fence? Make your move and be a Congressi. Who knows, may be you may even sign some bill banning beef as President?
@PlanetWarrior

Also along with this, there is word that the Ram mandir will also come up. Not a good sign.

Even the religious right for Muslims in the Govt jobs in Maharashtra is now gone.

We should unite and vote back the Congress party and its allies to put an end to this Hindu revival.

 

[dray]

That is not the best way...you are being opportunistic.
Food itself should not be banned. No food - including human. But slaughtering human or cow for food is bad. Why?
What’s the beef with red meat? - Harvard Health
Protein | The Nutrition Source | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

This is one major reason -
Raising beef creates more pollution than raising pork, poultry, dairy, or eggs - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publications

The costs are too high for bigger animals.

First, it is lame to equate humans with animals.

Second, you are not bothered about the 'health' of the beef-eaters, so don't bring that to discussion please. In a severe malnourished country like India meat is a necessary source of protein.

Btw, do you know that research also shows that dairy products are a major cause of cancer?

Third, in India cattle are not raised for meat.

 

[Ind4Ever]

That is not the best way...you are being opportunistic.
Food itself should not be banned. No food - including human. But slaughtering human or cow for food is bad. Why?
What’s the beef with red meat? - Harvard Health
Protein | The Nutrition Source | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

This is one major reason -
Raising beef creates more pollution than raising pork, poultry, dairy, or eggs - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publications

The costs are too high for bigger animals.

Problem is it will create black market then. How do you know cow not slaughtered ? When people sell and buy beef ? It may not be imported ... don't you think it's better to ban altogether ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Second, you are not bothered about the 'health' of the beef-eaters, so don't bring that to discussion please. In a severe malnourished country like India meat is a necessary source of protein.

Btw, do you know that research also shows that dairy products are a major cause of cancer?

Third, in India cattle are not raised for meat.

I am concerned about general health of this country. If issues rise in general, costs to remedy the situation will also rise. Up will go the costs and a greater commitment than now will be needed. So yes, concern is there.

Meat is a very costly source of protein. The mid day meal allocation for example is just Rs.2 per student. It is possible to include much cheaper - soyabean for such a diet and make up for the requirement than meat.

Thirdly, cattle IS raised in India for meat. Perhaps not in Bengal. But in many states, they are. I have witnessed some myself.

Problem is it will create black market then. How do you know cow not slaughtered ? When people sell and buy beef ? It may not be imported ... don't you think it's better to ban altogether ?

I was talking about my personal preference here, not the legal compulsions.

The guiding principle was the inclusion of the banning cattle slaughter in the Constitution. Now I also don't approve of many things in it, but I need to follow it. Perhaps the future Congress Government can amend it to please us all.

 

[doppelganger]

Last evening I was rushing on my bike to beat the Saturday evening shutdown and get to the court in time to get some stamp papers notarized (long story). The route takes me through some hardcore Muslim parts of town. Funniest sight which made me laugh out loud inside my helmet. Outside each Muslim eatery (al-this, al-that) were tons of hitherto unseen bulls (big balls) happily having a munch down conclave in the center of the road. The expression on the faces of the clientele was too hilarious to miss. However, on the fly I kinda decided that whipping out my cell phone to take photographs would not be a suitable thing to do.

 

[gau8av]

Well, if you must ban stuff, please take it to the next level and ban the evil barbaric practice of halal.

I'll be 1000% behind such a move.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Well, if you must ban stuff, please take it to the next level and ban the evil barbaric practice of halal.

I'll be 1000% behind such a move.

Why not good old 100%? It is rather confusing...because you have stressed it by over 900% than any other supporting it.. in general.

 

[gau8av]

Why not good old 100%? It is rather confusing...because you have stressed it by over 900% than any other supporting it.. in general.

that's the angry asura in me stressing a point

 

[SarthakGanguly]

that's the angry asura in me stressing a point

We need more asuras today. To protect this nation. Good boy.

 

[dray]

It is. Entirely a pro Hindu stance. Only Hindu and Jain organizations (and BJP) wanted this in Maha. No other orgs did.

Those are Hindutva organizations.

You are talking about an issue in Maharashtra and extrapolating to the rest of India. The High Courts have also become pro Hindu and refused the complaints from the Muslim organizations.

This case? Has it been rejected already? Please provide source.

Live Law

True. Hindu radicalism is the biggest threat India faces today. Rahulji said the same. Why still sit on the fence? Make your move and be a Congressi. Who knows, may be you may even sign some bill banning beef as President?
@PlanetWarrior

Now it started looking like that Hindu radicalism is the biggest threat India faces today.

Also along with this, there is word that the Ram mandir will also come up. Not a good sign.

With or without court order? Not a good sign if it comes up by force.

Even the religious right for Muslims in the Govt jobs in Maharashtra is now gone.

Reservations on the basis of religion should not be allowed.

We should unite and vote back the Congress party and its allies to put an end to this Hindu revival.

This is not Hindu revival, this is Hindutva revival and breaking of a nation.

I am concerned about general health of this country. If issues rise in general, costs to remedy the situation will also rise. Up will go the costs and a greater commitment than now will be needed. So yes, concern is there.

Don't eat it if you are concerned about your health. But if you want to ban it for me also, then I can also produce tons of research papers and articles highlighting the dangers of pure vegan lifestyle and milk and milk based products, ban them too. You have no business in deciding my food habits.

Meat is a very costly source of protein. The mid day meal allocation for example is just Rs.2 per student. It is possible to include much cheaper - soyabean for such a diet and make up for the requirement than meat.

Why do you bother unless they are buying meat with your money? You can feed children soyabean in mid day meals.

Thirdly, cattle IS raised in India for meat. Perhaps not in Bengal. But in many states, they are. I have witnessed some myself.

Milk-giving cows are too costly to be slaughtered for meat, it is mainly the bulls and bullocks that go for slaughtering. That's why BJP needed this new amendments and all as cow slaughtering is already banned in most parts of India. These bulls and bullocks were allowed to live for meat and then slaughtered. Now the smuggling of these excess bulls and bullocks to other states and Bangladesh will increase, because if Muslims eat them, then Hindus sell them too, these are precious little money for many poor Hindu villagers.

Btw, if BJP is really successful in blocking the selling and smuggling of bulls and bullocks also, then expect Hindu in rural India to revolt also, this Hindutva business is not for those who are committing suicides in hunger. In a worst case scenario people will kill the excess bulls and bullocks on birth to save the unnecessary cost of raising them when they can't sell them.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Those are Hindutva organizations.



This case? Has it been rejected already? Please provide source.

Live Law



Now it started looking like that Hindu radicalism is the biggest threat India faces today.



With or without court order? Not a good sign if it comes up by force.



Reservations on the basis of religion should not be allowed.



This is not Hindu revival, this is Hindutva revival and breaking of a nation.



Don't eat it if you are concerned about your health. But if you want to ban it for me also, then I can also produce tons of research papers and articles highlighting the dangers of pure vegan lifestyle and milk and milk based products, ban them too. You have no business in deciding my food habits.



Why do you bother unless they are buying meat with your money? You can feed children soyabean in mid day meals.



Milk-giving cows are too costly to be slaughtered for meat, it is mainly the bulls and bullocks that go for slaughtering. That's why BJP needed this new amendments and all as cow slaughtering is already banned in most parts of India. These bulls and bullocks were allowed to live for meat and then slaughtered. Now the smuggling of these excess bulls and bullocks to other states and Bangladesh will increase, because if Muslims eat them, then Hindus sell them too, these are precious little money for many poor Hindu villagers.

Btw, if BJP is really successful in blocking the selling and smuggling of bulls and bullocks also, then expect Hindu in rural India to revolt also, this Hindutva business is not for those who are committing suicides in hunger. In a worst case scenario people will kill the excess bulls and bullocks on birth to save the unnecessary cost of raising them when they can't sell them.

Err, they are Hindu organizations. I am not talking about RSS/BJP.
Of course you can ban vegan food, provided you have the people's support. You can produce a million papers, but without the people's support can you do anything? Float a party, join politics, campaign for a ban on vegan food, win the elections and then do it if you get the mandate. In a democracy there's a process to it. If you have the popular support sure - go ahead.

And you are right, as I said before - Hindu revivalism is the biggest threat this nation faces. Which is why I call for an antidote...Aurangzeb or Tipu's lessons seem to have been forgotten. Unfortunate indeed.

In any case, I can vouch for the reason the cattle slaughter is banned in most states of India. I have stayed, lived, etc with people in the most remotest of the corners, places where no electricity has reached...and I have seen how the cow is viewed even in those pockets. Thing is, this does resonate with the villagers, as of now. You can of course go and educate the people that saving the cow is economic suicide, but I am telling you about the prevalent situation in this nation, especially in the state of Maharashtra.