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Hm...interesting, so should the proposal pass the House of Commons and the conservative Harper government signs it, the bill will become law: the 30 of April as Canada´s national day. The bill was initiated by Thanh Hai Ngo, a vietnamese-canadian senator. I think many overseas vietnamese will welcome the bill.


CP | By Mike Blanchfield, The Canadian Press
Posted: 12/09/2014 4:38 pm EST Updated: 12/09/2014 6:59 pm EST

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OTTAWA - The Senate has passed an obscure private member's bill from a Conservative senator that's at the centre of a growing diplomatic spat between Canada and Vietnam.

The Vietnamese government is taking offence at the bill, which has sparked warnings that it could harm Canadian trade and investment opportunities with the Asian country. The bill recognizes April 30 as a national day to commemorate the exodus of Vietnamese refugees and their acceptance in Canada after the 1975 fall of Saigon to North Vietnamese communist forces — a development that ended the Vietnam War.

The Harper government has made it a priority to deepen economic ties with Asia, and Vietnam is certainly a player in the region. Vietnam is member of the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation (APEC) and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), and is one of the countries with a seat at Trans-Pacific Partnership trade talks.

The bill, sponsored by Conservative Sen. Thanh Hai Ngo, was passed Monday night by a 45-4 margin. From there, it goes to the House of Commons, where it is not clear when — or even if — it will be dealt with.

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Senator Thanh Hai Ngo & Prime Minister Steven Harper

If the bill is passed by the Commons, it will "have an adverse impact on the growing bilateral relations between Vietnam and Canada, as well as efforts devoted to broaden and deepen our ties, including trade and investment relations," said Viet Dung Vu, a diplomat with the Vietnamese embassy in Ottawa.

In an emailed response to questions, he added: "It will send the wrong message to the public of Vietnam and the international community about Canada's goodwill toward our country."

Vietnam's ambassador To Anh Dung expressed "concern" to Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird about the bill as recently as Monday night at a Parliament Hill reception, Vu said. "The government of Vietnam (the embassy included) has made many representations to different levels of the government of Canada and leaders of Parliament expressing our serious concerns about the language and intent of this bill," he said.

Baird's spokesman Adam Hodge said Vietnam is a "strong and valued partner, including in the TPP negotiations.

Vietnam's ambassador to Canada and the Vietnamese Deputy Prime Minister Pham Binh Minh have written separate letters to the government expressing concern. The Canada-Vietnam Trade Council warned in a letter to the Senate's human rights committee that the bill would negatively affect the government's economic aspirations because it would so divisions among Vietnamese Canadians.

"The proposed bill not only would damage diplomatic relations with Vietnam, but also would have a strong, negative impact of further dividing an already terrorized and divided community," wrote Dai Trang Nguyen, the council's director.

"This is in turn would have an adverse effect on trade and investment between Canada and Vietnam, given the important role of Vietnamese Canadians in supporting trade links."

He said the bill reflects the view of less than five per cent of Vietnamese Canadians and promotes a view "of the past, of hatred, of negativity, resulting in neglect of the well-being of future generations."

The Liberal leader in the upper chamber, Sen. James Cowan, accused the government of blocking the Vietnamese ambassador from testifying before the Senate about his concerns."The government permitted only witnesses who spoke in favour of the bill to testify before the committee," Cowan said in the Senate on Monday night after abstaining from the vote.

"Individuals, including the ambassador of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, requested the opportunity to appear, and the government denied them that opportunity."

Conservative senators did not rise to challenge Cowan's assessment. In an interview Tuesday, Cowan questioned how the government could approve such a contentious bill when it is trying to make economic inroads in Asia, including Vietnam.

"We're trying to improve relations with Vietnam. We've signed a memorandum of understanding to increase trade and cultural connections," Cowan said.

"Why you would want to stir up divisions? I don't understand."

Hodge reiterated a past comment that bill is "not a government bill" and that MPs and senators are free to introduce private member's legislation.

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Now Vietnam is hated by everybody around the world. They are also collapsing from low oil prices :lol:
No, the proposed national day April 30th should remember of the collapse of the republic of vietnam, and the exodus of the vietnamese out the country. It should be seen as politically neutral. But I can understand the reaction of the vietnamese government. the senator Ngo was a former southern vietnamese military officer, hense he is a die-hard communism hater. many of his wordings are a bit tough, and not always useful. @gambit, what is your thought?

As for oil price, well, we suffer indeed from sinking oil price, but profit from cheap import of refined oil products.
 
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The winds are blowing in the direction of color revolution. Even as sycophantic and obedient as the current Viet govt is, the West still can't work with a commie government. @Viet probably views this prospect with delight. But he should look at Ukraine to see what a country looks like after a color revolution.
 
The winds are blowing in the direction of color revolution. Even as sycophantic and obedient as the current Viet govt is, the West still can't work with a commie government. @Viet probably views this prospect with delight. But he should look at Ukraine to see what a country looks like after a color revolution.

He is the famous beggar here, always talking about hoping for American donations "Arleigh Burke Destroyers" to counter the big bad boy from the North. So perhaps a color revolution and hosting US military base could be rewarded with some US toys he has been dreaming all along.
 
No, the proposed national day April 30th should remember of the collapse of the republic of vietnam, and the exodus of the vietnamese out the country. It should be seen as politically neutral. But I can understand the reaction of the vietnamese government. the senator Ngo was a former southern vietnamese military officer, hense he is a die-hard communism hater. many of his wordings are a bit tough, and not always useful. @gambit, what is your thought?

As for oil price, well, we suffer indeed from sinking oil price, but profit from cheap import of refined oil products.

Many oversea vietnamese are plotting for the collapse of vietnam, US is one of them closely working with many of their overseas vietnamese to ensure that happen. Vietnamese in Vietnam must realise US is still a bigger threat of all others.
 
I think Canada can live without Vietnamese trade. Even Canada's trade with China is 3 times that of Canada and Vietnam. Most of our trade is with the US. No more Viet ? I think Canada will survive. :pop:
 
No, the proposed national day April 30th should remember of the collapse of the republic of vietnam, and the exodus of the vietnamese out the country. It should be seen as politically neutral. But I can understand the reaction of the vietnamese government. the senator Ngo was a former southern vietnamese military officer, hense he is a die-hard communism hater. many of his wordings are a bit tough, and not always useful. @gambit, what is your thought?

As for oil price, well, we suffer indeed from sinking oil price, but profit from cheap import of refined oil products.
My thoughts ? Nothing wrong with being a commie hater and nothing wrong with tough words against communism.
 
The winds are blowing in the direction of color revolution. Even as sycophantic and obedient as the current Viet govt is, the West still can't work with a commie government. @Viet probably views this prospect with delight. But he should look at Ukraine to see what a country looks like after a color revolution.

Vietnam has wonderful many choices of the outcome of the colour revolution ranging from Libyia, Syria, Egypt to Ukraine. :)
 
what is problem with Canada ?

Trinh warlord or Nguyen warlord both could unitified Vietnam in the past. and recently Vietquoc or Vietcong could did it in the same manner. Ending of civil war is good for Vietnamese people. The color of flag is not so important now.
 
what is problem with Canada ?

Trinh warlord or Nguyen warlord both could unitified Vietnam in the past. and recently Vietquoc or Vietcong could did it in the same manner. Ending of civil war is good for Vietnamese people. The color of flag is not so important now.

What's the problem with Canada? It's current conservative government. They are ignorant and think that every communist countries are bad.
 
What's the problem with Canada? It's current conservative government. They are ignorant and think that every communist countries are bad.
Base on Karl Max idea the communist society will start from developed nations like UK, VN is poor country , we have No chance to be a communist country like Max said.

Those over sea VNese hate the Govt. just bcz they r loser and envy wt the winner, thats all.
 
Many oversea vietnamese are plotting for the collapse of vietnam, US is one of them closely working with many of their overseas vietnamese to ensure that happen. Vietnamese in Vietnam must realise US is still a bigger threat of all others.
bullshit
 
Vietnam has wonderful many choices of the outcome of the colour revolution ranging from Libyia, Syria, Egypt to Ukraine. :)
wie hoch ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit eines Schneesturms in Saigon? ein tropisches Paradise in Muenchen? ja, genau. Nahe Null. So hoch ist die Wahrscheinlich einer Revolution in Vietnam.

but I can understand your wet dream
 
Base on Karl Max idea the communist society will start from developed nations like UK, VN is poor country , we have No chance to be a communist country like Max said.
Marx was wrong. And Viet Nam was a communist country, which made it a failed country.

Those over sea VNese hate the Govt. just bcz they r loser and envy wt the winner, thats all.
No...We just hate what communism have done. What did you 'won' ? Land ? And what did you do with the land and the people that lived there ? After 1975, you engaged in a campaign of mass terror that ended with more Vietnamese killed in that time than from the war. Essentially, you created another war after the Vietnam War. Later, you practically begged for help from the outside world when the Soviets could not support you any more. Is that what you called 'winning' ? We call that 'brainwashed'.
 

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