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Biggest deal with US flies into air pocket after India questions price

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Applying brakes to the bigger ever defence deal with the US to purchase C 17 Globemaster III heavy transport aircraft for the Indian Air Force (IAF), the Ministry of Defence has asked Washington to come clean and disclose the comparative prices at which the aircraft has been sold to other nations.

The last-minute hiccup has come after the ministry received several representations contending that the price being quoted to India for 10 heavy lift aircraft was inordinately high.

While the contract is in the final stage — commercial negotiations with manufacturer Boeing have been concluded —the ministry has sought a clarification from the US on the price of the aircraft, which is being purchased by the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route.

FMS is the US Department of Defense’s government-to-government method of selling US defence equipment, services and training.

“We have to ensure that we are getting the aircraft at the right price. The ministry has written to the US government for the price at which the aircraft has been sold to other countries. This has been done to get a fair assessment of the deal and put all speculation at rest,” a Defence Ministry official said.

The value of the deal — a highlight of President Barack Obama’s visit to India — has been pegged at $4.1 billion by the White House, and at $5.8 billion in the official notification before the US Congress. At either price — $410 million or $580 million each — the aircraft would be the most expensive ever purchased by India.

In a notification to Congress earlier this month, the US Defence Security Cooperation Agency, which coordinates all FMS sales, declared a C 17 Globemaster III aircraft is being sold to Australia for $300 million.

Also, under the FMS programme, the US is supposed to sell the aircraft to India at the price at which the US government purchases it from the manufacturer, plus an additional facilitation fee. The US government buys the C 17 from Boeing at around $200 million per aircraft. This price, however, does not include spares and services.

Boeing says the price depends on the services and package required by the IAF. “The end price will vary depending on what the Indian government requires as part of the final package. That final price will be a matter for the two governments to communicate at the appropriate time,” the company said in a statement in November. It declined to comment on current negotiations.

The company had said that the $4.1-billion tag quoted by the White House did not include the cost of engines, spares and support. “$5.8 billion is an umbrella figure that includes everything that could be ordered,” a senior Boeing executive had said.

The IAF did not expect the aircraft deal to cost very much over $3 billion, and was taken aback by the price quoted by Washington. As first reported by The Indian Express, a tussle had broken out over the price after the IAF made it clear that it was unhappy over the “unrealistic” estimate of the deal.

Biggest aircraft deal with US flies into air pocket after India questions price
 
after this much time, now only they got time to think about price..what is happening with MOD.



I think it only came to their attention recently that the price being offered to them is higher than other nations which may have gotten the same plane and equipment for friendship prices. India should demand so also. If the US wants India to be a friend and ally, it should start offering better prices. It gives all types of breaks to brutal regimes and fake democracies, but when it comes to a country like India which is really trying to overcome a lot of difficulties it gets treated like . Nuke deal or whatever, this is BS. The F-18's offered are crap but then they pressure saying it is long term interest...well then cut some slack. Facking BS


Don;t forget when China was going to buy the Phalcons before sanctions, It was quoted for a far, far lower price. What' going on...corruption, or so called allies taking advantage of country that is not white? Then th West complain and moans of human rights.....not enough food....blah blah...It is time for India to seriously invest in it domestic industry.....its something that foreign powers don;t want coz it will be a huge loss to their military weapons industries. We finally have a capable minister of defense with AK Anthony.....his position is known in the political circle as the highest paying job in Indian gov't because you make so much thru corruption. Im sure the other Defence ministers were rotten to the apple.....otherwise India's procurement would not be so dismal. For example, our lack of nigh vision on tanks....the list can go on forever. This gov't though it has some hiccups is quite transparent....
 
effect of Indian wikileaks which targeted mostly congress.:azn:

I completely agree. Indian population got a rude awakening with the advent of India gate cables, courtesy of asange. The congress is suddenly being exposed for bad policy. Indian military apparatus did not think they would be held accountable for all the bribes they took to peddle overpriced US goods. I am happy the way things turned out all of a sudden. Maybe now the United states would stop taking advantage of India. But then again, this is all wishful thinking.....the officials will still be corrupted, and the MoD will continue to buy overpriced US goods. The only ray of hope is Anthony, the defense minister....but I'm not sure how much power he actually wields over procurement deals.
 
guys some one from Mod has watched the discussions about the cost C-17's being sold to india...:P

Good MoD..
if americans can sale at the price which have been sold to other countries ,then we should buy,if not then bye bye
 
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They should have looked at the discussions on defense.pk :)

lol Good one!!!! I started the bashing.... :lol:

With all equipments $5.8 billion? $ 580 million per aircraft? Either they are crazy or the Indians are crazy!!! If its $ 3 billion than also lot of money. We can invest them in a better way. C-17 is a good aircraft. It will increase our heavy lift capabilities but too much costly for the IAF.
 
The number is just 10 man....



I would've overlooked it, because it would give us access to a reliable aircraft. I dunno not much choice and if wanted to form a closer alliance to the Staes then this would help....I also think the FMS route is more expensive for reasons I cannot remember...
 
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you found your comment from previous thread ?? :) Good for you.... i just hope deal gets cancelled if US does not agree to to reduce price. We are not that rich.
 
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you found your comment from previous thread ?? :) Good for you.... i just hope deal gets cancelled if US does not agree to to reduce price. We are not that rich.

This post is from April 2010 after hearing the price tag. lol I hope they cancel the deal. C-17 is good but too much costly.
 

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