Beyond PDF: Proposals

[Hyde]

Hello,

Here's the situation: The PDF forum is on the verge of closure. Despite this, some moderators express interest in keeping the community alive. Unfortunately, saving the existing website appears unfeasible, leading us to the conclusion that starting a new website is the only viable option. Several users are in the process of creating new forums, some even setting up donation pages to support these initiatives.

While I don't oppose the creation of new websites, a concern arises when multiple factions emerge. To address this, I propose that instead of launching entirely separate platforms, these new initiatives should be considered as legal extensions or successors of the existing forum. I worry that if less established users initiate forums independently, they may lack support from senior members, resulting in the proliferation of various forums with none achieving success in the end. If they do want to go ahead, I alongside many senior members will still support them but they must come with a visionary plan

As an alternative, I'm reaching out to the old management to collaborate on creating a fresh forum. This option is open to all members interested in participating but priority will be given to those from the old management, followed by new recruitments. The idea is to have no singular owner; decisions and responsibilities will be shared among members based on their stakes. To anticipate this transition, I've registered both defencepk.com and pkdefence.com.

Option 2 invites everyone to participate, and users involved in the project will receive some form of stake, the details of which are yet to be determined. This approach involves charting a completely new path, with guidance from others. Given my background as a software engineer/web development experience, I can temporarily host the forum on my hosting provider. Once the old site is offline and the new one is operational, we can collectively agree on the way forward. At that point, I'll transfer the site to neutral hosting, technically owned by nobody/everybody.

Option 2 also means that WebMaster, Horus and many other Moderators will not be part of it. It is a collective effort by me alongside a few other MODs who will likely join. I have no intention of owning the website like WebMaster did. It will be a platform shared by many and I could be one of the many people with stake.

What are your thoughts on these options?

 

[HAIDER]

Hello,

Here's the situation: The PDF forum is on the verge of closure. Despite this, some moderators express interest in keeping the community alive. Unfortunately, saving the existing website appears unfeasible, leading us to the conclusion that starting a new website is the only viable option. Several users are in the process of creating new forums, some even setting up donation pages to support these initiatives.

While I don't oppose the creation of new websites, a concern arises when multiple factions emerge. To address this, I propose that instead of launching entirely separate platforms, these new initiatives should be considered as legal extensions or successors of the existing forum. I worry that if less established users initiate forums independently, they may lack support from senior members, resulting in the proliferation of various forums with none achieving success in the end. If they do want to go ahead, I alongside many senior members will still support them but they must come with a visionary plan

As an alternative, I'm reaching out to the old management to collaborate on creating a fresh forum. This option is open to all members interested in participating but priority will be given to those from the old management, followed by new recruitments. The idea is to have no singular owner; decisions and responsibilities will be shared among members based on their stakes. To anticipate this transition, I've registered both defencepk.com and pkdefence.com.

Option 2 invites everyone to participate, and users involved in the project will receive some form of stake, the details of which are yet to be determined. This approach involves charting a completely new path, with guidance from others. Given my background as a software engineer/web development experience, I can temporarily host the forum on my hosting provider. Once the old site is offline and the new one is operational, we can collectively agree on the way forward. At that point, I'll transfer the site to neutral hosting, technically owned by nobody/everybody.

Option 2 also means that WebMaster, Horus and many other Moderators will not be part of it. It is a collective effort by me alongside a few other MODs who will likely join. I have no intention of owning the website like WebMaster did. It will be a platform shared by many and I could be one of the many people with stake.

What are your thoughts on these options?

Add me ... move all data, please. If need a donation for the new site open the link. Nickle and Dime are all acceptable. Don t need any post. Only want free speech platform for Pakistani and the rest of the nations.

 

[VCheng]

priority will be given to those from the old management,

Same old wine in a new bottle will be just more of the same. Einstein's famous definition may apply here.

these new initiatives should be considered as legal extensions or successors of the existing forum.

That legal succession of old baggage may be too heavy, depending on what is causing the present troubles.

It is a collective effort by me alongside a few other MODs who will likely join.

Go for it! I will support you as much as possible for any shared goals.

 

[HAIDER]

Same old wine in a new bottle will be just more of the same. Einstein's famous definition may apply here.



That legal succession of old baggage may be too heavy, depending no what is causing the present troubles.



Go for it! I will support you as much as possible for any shared goals.

Well, that will need PayPal account,,,, you have been doing a lot of overtime, your single day nickels can pay for the whole month ...lolll

 

[ziaulislam]

Hello,

Here's the situation: The PDF forum is on the verge of closure. Despite this, some moderators express interest in keeping the community alive. Unfortunately, saving the existing website appears unfeasible, leading us to the conclusion that starting a new website is the only viable option. Several users are in the process of creating new forums, some even setting up donation pages to support these initiatives.

While I don't oppose the creation of new websites, a concern arises when multiple factions emerge. To address this, I propose that instead of launching entirely separate platforms, these new initiatives should be considered as legal extensions or successors of the existing forum. I worry that if less established users initiate forums independently, they may lack support from senior members, resulting in the proliferation of various forums with none achieving success in the end. If they do want to go ahead, I alongside many senior members will still support them but they must come with a visionary plan

As an alternative, I'm reaching out to the old management to collaborate on creating a fresh forum. This option is open to all members interested in participating but priority will be given to those from the old management, followed by new recruitments. The idea is to have no singular owner; decisions and responsibilities will be shared among members based on their stakes. To anticipate this transition, I've registered both defencepk.com and pkdefence.com.

Option 2 invites everyone to participate, and users involved in the project will receive some form of stake, the details of which are yet to be determined. This approach involves charting a completely new path, with guidance from others. Given my background as a software engineer/web development experience, I can temporarily host the forum on my hosting provider. Once the old site is offline and the new one is operational, we can collectively agree on the way forward. At that point, I'll transfer the site to neutral hosting, technically owned by nobody/everybody.

Option 2 also means that WebMaster, Horus and many other Moderators will not be part of it. It is a collective effort by me alongside a few other MODs who will likely join. I have no intention of owning the website like WebMaster did. It will be a platform shared by many and I could be one of the many people with stake.

What are your thoughts on these options?

Can't the owner sell or allow the transfer of data to another domain and then close the current domain

Will satisfy both Pakistan army demands and people who want to keep the forum

 

[Hyde]

Same old wine in a new bottle will be just more of the same. Einstein's famous definition may apply here.



That legal succession of old baggage may be too heavy, depending no what is causing the present troubles.



Go for it! I will support you as much as possible for any shared goals.

I intend to make a fresh start and to initiate this, we will employ the hard reset button.

Several moderators have been inactive for an extended period, and many of them seem uninterested. As a result, a significant number of moderators will be new. Despite this, PDF has been our second home for the past 18 years, and many moderators have dedicated countless hours to moderating thousands of threads. The effort required for such moderation is substantial. Therefore, I believe these long-serving moderators deserve first priority. I'm hopeful that individuals like @waz, @PakSword, @WAJsal, and perhaps a few more, are interested in taking on this responsibility.

The bottom line is, that I am advocating for unity, and to ensure transparency about my intentions, I am open to allowing someone else to host the site if they are willing. However, the fundamental principles must remain unchanged, if that makes sense

In other words, I am urging senior members to step forward and contribute to the site's rescue through collaborative efforts. I am not seeking sole ownership but proposing shared ownership and stakes that we can collectively agree upon. I am looking for a platform where I can continue to come and visit like PDF. I know many Moderators want to move away now. While I considered the same path, the question arises: where else can I go if not PDF?

 

[VCheng]

The bottom line is, that I am advocating for unity, and to ensure transparency about my intentions, I am open to allowing someone else to host the site if they are willing. However, the fundamental principles must remain unchanged, if that makes sense

I appreciate where you are coming from. However, unity is something quite alien to Pakistanis these days, along with the other two attributes the Quaid wanted us to have. Have you considered that it could be the very fundamental principles that you wish to continue that rotted out PDF's very foundations in the first place, just like what the Objectives Resolution has done to the legal framework in Pakistan?

 

[Hyde]

I appreciate where you are coming from. However, unity is something quite alien to Pakistanis these days, along with the other two attributes the Quaid wanted us to have. Have you considered that it could be the very fundamental principles that you wish to continue that rotted out PDF's very foundations in the first place, just like what the Objectives Resolution has done to the legal framework in Pakistan?

Quaid-e-Azam must be enjoying the companionship of "Hoors" in Jannah.

Now it is our time to rewrite the rules. Please contribute towards the thread, we can discuss the disunity in a separate thread

 

[VCheng]

Quaid-e-Azam must be enjoying the companionship of "Hoors" in Jannah.

Now it is our time to rewrite the rules. Please contribute towards the thread, we can discuss the disunity in a separate thread

Of course. Rewriting the rules with the same fundamental principles by prioritizing the same management can and will only go so far. Having said that, I will support your efforts as best as I can.

 

[PDF]

1. Make sure user data is secure both from local and international authorities as much as possible.
2. The website if in future adopts advertising etc will share all earnings minus the cost of maintenance of website to donations.
3. Strict Moderation and curb on political/religious discussions except constructive ones and only with a moderator tasked to that thread.
4. As we are not trying to compete rather carry on the legacy of PDF, a "hall of fame"
   including webby and others who retired for good.
5. Periodic Administration Meet-up to review forum working, make decisions and also to scrutinize staff actions.

Some things that come to mind. We all can discuss and collectively formulate our line of action.

 

[Wood]

Why is this happening?! It is silly to think that some overzealous political activists on this board can bring the site down with all their clamouring.

It may be too late for option # 2 as option #1 is already afoot

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Hello,

Here's the situation: The PDF forum is on the verge of closure. Despite this, some moderators express interest in keeping the community alive. Unfortunately, saving the existing website appears unfeasible, leading us to the conclusion that starting a new website is the only viable option. Several users are in the process of creating new forums, some even setting up donation pages to support these initiatives.

While I don't oppose the creation of new websites, a concern arises when multiple factions emerge. To address this, I propose that instead of launching entirely separate platforms, these new initiatives should be considered as legal extensions or successors of the existing forum. I worry that if less established users initiate forums independently, they may lack support from senior members, resulting in the proliferation of various forums with none achieving success in the end. If they do want to go ahead, I alongside many senior members will still support them but they must come with a visionary plan

As an alternative, I'm reaching out to the old management to collaborate on creating a fresh forum. This option is open to all members interested in participating but priority will be given to those from the old management, followed by new recruitments. The idea is to have no singular owner; decisions and responsibilities will be shared among members based on their stakes. To anticipate this transition, I've registered both defencepk.com and pkdefence.com.

Option 2 invites everyone to participate, and users involved in the project will receive some form of stake, the details of which are yet to be determined. This approach involves charting a completely new path, with guidance from others. Given my background as a software engineer/web development experience, I can temporarily host the forum on my hosting provider. Once the old site is offline and the new one is operational, we can collectively agree on the way forward. At that point, I'll transfer the site to neutral hosting, technically owned by nobody/everybody.

Option 2 also means that WebMaster, Horus and many other Moderators will not be part of it. It is a collective effort by me alongside a few other MODs who will likely join. I have no intention of owning the website like WebMaster did. It will be a platform shared by many and I could be one of the many people with stake.

What are your thoughts on these options?

Go for it...

Archive it... and where needed... in my capacity... I'll try to be instrumental as much as possible.

 

[Trailer23]

Where exactly will the new Domain/PDF be registered - as in which Country?

 

[waz]

Hello,

Here's the situation: The PDF forum is on the verge of closure. Despite this, some moderators express interest in keeping the community alive. Unfortunately, saving the existing website appears unfeasible, leading us to the conclusion that starting a new website is the only viable option. Several users are in the process of creating new forums, some even setting up donation pages to support these initiatives.

While I don't oppose the creation of new websites, a concern arises when multiple factions emerge. To address this, I propose that instead of launching entirely separate platforms, these new initiatives should be considered as legal extensions or successors of the existing forum. I worry that if less established users initiate forums independently, they may lack support from senior members, resulting in the proliferation of various forums with none achieving success in the end. If they do want to go ahead, I alongside many senior members will still support them but they must come with a visionary plan

As an alternative, I'm reaching out to the old management to collaborate on creating a fresh forum. This option is open to all members interested in participating but priority will be given to those from the old management, followed by new recruitments. The idea is to have no singular owner; decisions and responsibilities will be shared among members based on their stakes. To anticipate this transition, I've registered both defencepk.com and pkdefence.com.

Option 2 invites everyone to participate, and users involved in the project will receive some form of stake, the details of which are yet to be determined. This approach involves charting a completely new path, with guidance from others. Given my background as a software engineer/web development experience, I can temporarily host the forum on my hosting provider. Once the old site is offline and the new one is operational, we can collectively agree on the way forward. At that point, I'll transfer the site to neutral hosting, technically owned by nobody/everybody.

Option 2 also means that WebMaster, Horus and many other Moderators will not be part of it. It is a collective effort by me alongside a few other MODs who will likely join. I have no intention of owning the website like WebMaster did. It will be a platform shared by many and I could be one of the many people with stake.

What are your thoughts on these options?

I’m down bro. It’s better to back something like this as we have steered the ship for so long, and kept things stable.

I know another website has been launched and many have registered but many haven’t and we need to reach a compromise.

Ultimately I believe the community will throw their support behind us due us being seen as the safe and experienced option

 

[Dalit]

Hello,

Here's the situation: The PDF forum is on the verge of closure. Despite this, some moderators express interest in keeping the community alive. Unfortunately, saving the existing website appears unfeasible, leading us to the conclusion that starting a new website is the only viable option. Several users are in the process of creating new forums, some even setting up donation pages to support these initiatives.

While I don't oppose the creation of new websites, a concern arises when multiple factions emerge. To address this, I propose that instead of launching entirely separate platforms, these new initiatives should be considered as legal extensions or successors of the existing forum. I worry that if less established users initiate forums independently, they may lack support from senior members, resulting in the proliferation of various forums with none achieving success in the end. If they do want to go ahead, I alongside many senior members will still support them but they must come with a visionary plan

As an alternative, I'm reaching out to the old management to collaborate on creating a fresh forum. This option is open to all members interested in participating but priority will be given to those from the old management, followed by new recruitments. The idea is to have no singular owner; decisions and responsibilities will be shared among members based on their stakes. To anticipate this transition, I've registered both defencepk.com and pkdefence.com.

Option 2 invites everyone to participate, and users involved in the project will receive some form of stake, the details of which are yet to be determined. This approach involves charting a completely new path, with guidance from others. Given my background as a software engineer/web development experience, I can temporarily host the forum on my hosting provider. Once the old site is offline and the new one is operational, we can collectively agree on the way forward. At that point, I'll transfer the site to neutral hosting, technically owned by nobody/everybody.

Option 2 also means that WebMaster, Horus and many other Moderators will not be part of it. It is a collective effort by me alongside a few other MODs who will likely join. I have no intention of owning the website like WebMaster did. It will be a platform shared by many and I could be one of the many people with stake.

What are your thoughts on these options?

Very thoughtful suggestions. It is important to have one unified platform. I strongly suggest to have brother @waz as a super administrator.