Berufsbildung made in Germany

[Viet]

https://m.faz.net/aktuell/karriere-...rufsbildung-made-in-germany-16597677.amp.html

Good stuff!

Vietnam adopts professional education of Germany. The 2-year college combines schooling at a college and professional practice in a company.

this college/company model is unique only exists in Germany.

Phan Thi Hai, Schülerin am Lilama-2-College Bild: THOMAS IMO/PHOTOTHEK.NET



Mechatronik-Schüler üben an einer Abfüll-Anlage.Bild: THOMAS IMO/PHOTOTHEK.NET



GIZ-Mitarbeiter Jürgen Hartwig Bild: THOMAS IMO/PHOTOTHEK.NET

 

[Paul2]

this college/company model is unique only exists in Germany.

I did 2 year studies for a welding technician, and computer classes in high school 14 years ago. Not in Germany FYI.

 

[PakFactor]

I did 2 year studies for a welding technician, and computer classes in high school 14 years ago. Not in Germany FYI.

I like the 2 year model get your major degree classes in and graduate and another two for masters.

US Colleges & Universities have 4 year bachelor programs whereas two years is bullshit elective courses that add no value basically repeating High School stuff over again.

Often times it’s a money pit. I been through it with a Bachelors and MBA. Never again.

 

[Viet]

I did 2 year studies for a welding technician, and computer classes in high school 14 years ago. Not in Germany FYI.

Did you work in a company as junior welding technician during the 2 year period? Did you get any professional training and received a certification from the company?

 

[Kai Liu]

Did you work in a company as junior welding technician during the 2 year period? Did you get any professional training and received a certification from the company?

This is nothing special... Vocational colleges here all work this way, except it generally takes 3 years to get the degree.

 

[Viet]

This is nothing special... Vocational colleges here all work this way, except it generally takes 3 years to get the degree.

Some degrees require certainly more years at colleges. For example, the degree to industrial mechanics (Industriemechaniker) requires 3.5 years. Do students receive any money from the companies in China?

 

[Kai Liu]

Some degrees require certainly more years at colleges. For example, the degree to industrial mechanics (Industriemechaniker) requires 3.5 years. Do students receive any money from the companies in China?

In order to prevent students from being exploited by the companies, laws and regulations state that companies must pay students from vocational colleges/schools on internship no less than 80% of the salaries for employees on trail period. And also have to comply with the labor law, etc.
http://china.cnr.cn/gdgg/20160427/t20160427_521997057.shtml

 

[Paul2]

Do students receive any money from the companies in China?

No, or at least never been during my studies

 

[Kai Liu]

No, or at least never been during my studies

That is the case several years ago. There were vocational colleges/schools getting money by 'selling' their students as cheap labors to the factories. Now this is forbidden by laws and regulations. They will get sued and pulished by doing this.
But you know, the salary will be low, might be just slightly above the minimum wage, probably 300-400$ per month, much cheaper than hire a regular worker. But students have no choice because having an intern of at least 6 month is required to get their degree. There must be a lot of secret deals behind scene between the schools and the companies... Students still get exploited.

 

[Viet]

No, or at least never been during my studies

German companies are forced to pay students by laws. The pay varies a lot, however you get something between 700 euro and 5,000 euro per month minimum. Most companies take over the students when they are graduated. There are some jobs that pay very good. Air traffic controller earn super good, 1,200 euro per month minimum during the college time. After graduation, they can get 7,000 euro per month minimum.

https://www.ausbildung.de/berufe/fluglotse/gehalt/

 

[Kai Liu]

German companies are forced to pay students by laws. The pay varies a lot, however you get something between 700 euro and 5,000 euro per month minimum. Most companies take over the students when they are graduated. There are some jobs that pay very good. Air traffic controller earn super good, 1,200 euro per month minimum during the college time. After graduation, they can get 7,000 euro per month minimum.

https://www.ausbildung.de/berufe/fluglotse/gehalt/

It is required by law and regulations now, as I have explained above, and which is stated, e.g., by the article 11 of this regulation from the ministry of education:
Baidu translated (https://fanyi.baidu.com/translate#zh/en/):
　　'Strengthen the management of follow-up and post practice. It is an essential practice link to train applied talents to follow and post practice. Colleges and universities should organize scientifically and implement according to law. Strictly sign the internship agreements among schools, internship units and students, and clarify their rights, obligations and responsibilities. Strictly abide by the regulations of working hours and rest and vacation. Except for the special requirements of clinical medicine and other related specialties and internships, the working hours shall not exceed 8 hours per day, 44 hours per week, overtime and night shift shall not be arranged. In principle, the labor remuneration shall not be less than 80% of the salary standard of the probation period of the same post. To protect the legitimate rights and interests of minors, students under the age of 16 shall not be arranged for post practice'
From the official site of ministry of education:
http://www.moe.gov.cn/srcsite/A08/s7056/201907/t20190724_392130.html

Here is a post from a vocational college's baidu tieba page discussing intern salaries:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5965006079
Salary varies a lot. 300-400USD per month should be the average.

 

[Paul2]

Did you get any professional training and received a certification from the company?

I got a paper from the high school. I never expected it to be of any use, but during my stay in Singapore as an exchange student it somehow got me hired as an arc welder at the construction company. Though, all work I did was to clean garbage around the construction site, and haul furniture into apartments.

The "computer classes" were still of no use. Those were just about using MS Office, and being told "this box thing is a computer, and with this thing you put letters into it, and this wedge with a screen is where it will show you a picture" and like that for 2 years. And this was at the time when every kid probably already knew more about computer programming than the teacher

Did you work in a company as junior welding technician during the 2 year period?

Once a week, on Fridays for two semesters.

Often times it’s a money pit. I been through it with a Bachelors and MBA. Never again.

We are in the same basket. My parents sent me to Canada to study for a useless "business" degree, despite me having pre-approval for process engineer studies at Nanyang and NTU of Taiwan...

These years went to waste, both taking Nanyang prep (as I never got to use it,) and then in Canada. Yes, truly a money pit.

Colleges and universities

That still has nothing to do with courses in high schools and summer courses I think.

 

[PakFactor]

I got a paper from the high school. I never expected it to be of any use, but during my stay in Singapore as an exchange student it somehow got me hired as an arc welder at the construction company. Though, all work I did was to clean garbage around the construction site, and haul furniture into apartments.

The "computer classes" were still of no use. Those were just about using MS Office, and being told "this box thing is a computer, and with this thing you put letters into it, and this wedge with a screen is where it will show you a picture" and like that for 2 years. And this was at the time when every kid probably already knew more about computer programming than the teacher

Once a week, on Fridays for two semesters.


We are in the same basket. My parents sent me to Canada to study for a useless "business" degree, despite me having pre-approval for process engineer studies at Nanyang and NTU of Taiwan...

These years went to waste, both taking Nanyang prep (as I never got to use it,) and then in Canada. Yes, truly a money pit.

What do you do these days? After studies completed.

 

[Paul2]

What do you do these days? After studies completed.

After finishing studies in Canada, I worked in a number of import/export shops, and then went back into electronics. Now, I work in an electronics engineering company in Shenzhen that has a side business in manufacturing management (basically arranging contract manufacturing for clients too lazy to do that themselves.)

If you wonder of the odd timing of my posts, I am almost always away on foreign assignments, babysitting foreign clients. Now though, I got caught in an odd situation stuck abroad with all flights to China being closed.

 

[Crusher]

In order to prevent students from being exploited by the companies, laws and regulations state that companies must pay students from vocational colleges/schools on internship no less than 80% of the salaries for employees on trail period. And also have to comply with the labor law, etc.
http://china.cnr.cn/gdgg/20160427/t20160427_521997057.shtml

Here the Chines regulation is better than German regulation, the "apprentices" doing their "Ausbildung/technical training" in Germany get a meager 20 to 40% of the salary that is given to an employee of the company doing the same job under the same conditions. In fact most of the times these trainees are doing much harder tasks than the employees of the company as many employees of the company that train the trainees shift the difficult work/tasks to these trainees.