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In a speech yesterday, the 2020 contender’s message was crystal clear: ‘Political freedom in the absence of economic freedom is not real freedom’

Thu 13 Jun 2019 11.16 EDT
In a speech yesterday at George Washington University in Washington DC, the Vermont senator Bernie Sanders brilliantly articulated what he means when he calls himself a democratic socialist.

With characteristic concision, he decried the rule of “a small number of incredibly wealthy and powerful billionaires”, and argued that the future belongs to either rightwing nationalism or democratic socialism, which he defined as a bedrock set of economic and social rights.

Bernie Sanders v the Democratic establishment: what the battle is really about | Zaid Jilani
Even for many sympathizers, Sanders’ decision to call himself a socialist has always been controversial. The label strikes some as an anachronism – or even a liability, distracting from a broadly popular progressive vision. Americans, we are told, still fear the S-word and imagine breadlines and gulags when it’s invoked.



But Sanders isn’t among the most popular politicians in America despite his socialist past and identity – but because of it.

Sanders first found his ideology and political voice in the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth section of the ailing Socialist Party of America. When Sanders joined in the 1960s, the party was a shell of what it was in the early 20th century, when Eugene V Debs got almost a million votes for president and the party had hundreds of elected officials.


Even if Sanders is still polling behind Biden, the message may be starting to resonate. Fifty-seven per cent of Democrats view socialism positively, along with 61% of those aged 18 to 24.

Yesterday, Sanders expanded his democratic socialist vision further, using the rhetoric of freedom that’s a regular trope in American politics, but giving it a socialist gloss. “Political freedom in the absence of economic freedom is not real freedom.”


Hardened socialists might scoff at Sanders’s summoning of Roosevelt as a proto-socialist. But the core of his call for democracy and justice is true to the spirit of Debs and his successors Norm Thomas and Michael Harrington, and resonates with millions. Sanders isn’t just campaigning, he’s spearheading the recovery of an American tradition of democratic socialism that insists we expand our definition of freedom to include our most basic material needs.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ders-socialism-old-school-american-liberalism

@KAL-EL Remember what I said "If US cant destroy CN, then capitalist US will collapse cos capitalist survive just by exploiting poor and oppressed ppl."??

If US cant destroy CN, then US will become a Communist nation :lol:
 
nah it's gonna be a lot worse...the US will simply break apart like the soviet union, the original 13 states will likely stick together but the rest will definitely go separate ways.
Yeah. So US capitalist will try her best to destroy CN to avoid being collapse.

So, no US-CN deal, Cnese and US ppl r the victims of war :cool:
 
In a speech yesterday, the 2020 contender’s message was crystal clear: ‘Political freedom in the absence of economic freedom is not real freedom’

Thu 13 Jun 2019 11.16 EDT
In a speech yesterday at George Washington University in Washington DC, the Vermont senator Bernie Sanders brilliantly articulated what he means when he calls himself a democratic socialist.

With characteristic concision, he decried the rule of “a small number of incredibly wealthy and powerful billionaires”, and argued that the future belongs to either rightwing nationalism or democratic socialism, which he defined as a bedrock set of economic and social rights.

Bernie Sanders v the Democratic establishment: what the battle is really about | Zaid Jilani
Even for many sympathizers, Sanders’ decision to call himself a socialist has always been controversial. The label strikes some as an anachronism – or even a liability, distracting from a broadly popular progressive vision. Americans, we are told, still fear the S-word and imagine breadlines and gulags when it’s invoked.



But Sanders isn’t among the most popular politicians in America despite his socialist past and identity – but because of it.

Sanders first found his ideology and political voice in the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth section of the ailing Socialist Party of America. When Sanders joined in the 1960s, the party was a shell of what it was in the early 20th century, when Eugene V Debs got almost a million votes for president and the party had hundreds of elected officials.


Even if Sanders is still polling behind Biden, the message may be starting to resonate. Fifty-seven per cent of Democrats view socialism positively, along with 61% of those aged 18 to 24.

Yesterday, Sanders expanded his democratic socialist vision further, using the rhetoric of freedom that’s a regular trope in American politics, but giving it a socialist gloss. “Political freedom in the absence of economic freedom is not real freedom.”


Hardened socialists might scoff at Sanders’s summoning of Roosevelt as a proto-socialist. But the core of his call for democracy and justice is true to the spirit of Debs and his successors Norm Thomas and Michael Harrington, and resonates with millions. Sanders isn’t just campaigning, he’s spearheading the recovery of an American tradition of democratic socialism that insists we expand our definition of freedom to include our most basic material needs.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ders-socialism-old-school-american-liberalism

@KAL-EL Remember what I said "If US cant destroy CN, then capitalist US will collapse cos capitalist survive just by exploiting poor and oppressed ppl."??

If US cant destroy CN, then US will become a Communist nation :lol:


Opinion polls and Bernie Sanders saying it, won't make it happen. For starters we have a Congress That it will Never get through.

Nice try though :smokin:

Do not worry, we're getting our fair share of fruit.
 
Opinion polls and Bernie Sanders saying it, won't make it happen. For starters we have a Congress That it will Never get through.

Nice try though :smokin:

Do not worry, we're getting our fair share of fruit.
Btw, which do u prefer ? Capilatist, where 2% of rich Amrican take one third of US wealth while they do almost Nothing but party all days or Democratic Socialist ?

Do u think that its time to overthrown those 2% rich Amrican when US debt is too high now and there is No way (but exploiting CN) to reduce that huge debt ?
 
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Btw, which do u prefer ? Capilatist, where 2% of rich Amrican take one third of US wealth while they do almost Nothing but party all days or Democratic Socialist ?

Do u think that its time to overthrown those 2% rich Amrican when US debt is too high now and there is No way (but exploiting CN) to reduce that huge debt ?
Yeah...Viet Nam tried that. How did that worked out? :lol:
 
Average Americans know something is wrong. The question is how to correct it. So you are against US following the path of your home country Vietnam?
The average American also knows that encouraging jealousy is wrong, and encouraging jealousy is the core psychological method of socialism. Like it or not, it is the young and gullible who are attracted to socialism of any flavor.
 
Yeah...Viet Nam tried that. How did that worked out? :lol:
Old man, u get ur salaray tks to stupid US govt' borrow money from CN-JP and pay to u. Check again US debt yet ??

US already went bankrupted, survive till now just bcs CN-JP still let her borrow money. US is just like Sri Lanka, went bankrupted and soon have to hand over some ports to CN-JP ( after US cant defeat CN in trade war).

Thats why Sanders urges US ppl to stand up and overthrow rich but useless Amrcan who account 2% US ppl, do Nothing but robbing money of poor Amrcan to get richer
 
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Thats why Sanders urges US ppl to stand up and overthrow rich but useless Amrcan who account 2% US ppl, do Nothing but robbing money of poor Amrcan to get richer
Yes, that was what Mao and Ho did in China and Viet Nam, respectively. They took from the rich and gave to the poor. I asked how did that worked out for Viet Nam.

If the alternative you offered is even worse than what you are criticizing, then what is the point? :lol:
 
...it is the young and gullible who are attracted to socialism of any flavor.
Unfortunately, this is changing. More and more people are willing to give socialism a second chance in the Western societies. These days, digitizing and AI are seen as a possibility to make socialism a success not only on paper but in real life. I do believe that capitalism will be questioned even in America. However, China is not by any means a good model for the Western world.
 
Unfortunately, this is changing. More and more people are willing to give socialism a second chance in the Western societies. These days, digitizing and AI are seen as a possibility to make socialism a success not only on paper but in real life. I do believe that capitalism will be questioned even in America. However, China is not by any means a good model for the Western world.
Again...Only the naive and gullible believes in socialism, and the continuing argument that 'real' socialism was never tried in the first place, whatever that means. There are still enough of us old fogeys who lived thru the Cold War yrs to remind everyone the horrors that was socialism/communism.
 
Yes, that was what Mao and Ho did in China and Viet Nam, respectively. They took from the rich and gave to the poor. I asked how did that worked out for Viet Nam.

If the alternative you offered is even worse than what you are criticizing, then what is the point? :lol:
It work OK, while Vnese can make money by working hard in the factories, old-useless Amrican like u have good No good job and have to live wt the rest of ur life by the subsidize money that Trump borrow from CN-JP ( and will have to pay back by US port like in Sri lanka cos US actually went bankrupted)

Again...Only the naive and gullible believes in socialism, and the continuing argument that 'real' socialism was never tried in the first place, whatever that means. There are still enough of us old fogeys who lived thru the Cold War yrs to remind everyone the horrors that was socialism/communism.
Whatever, u should beg God that US will find out a way to pay back CN-JP loan ( I bet that even God also dont know how can US pay back the debt now) or communist revolt will happen in USA :cool:
 
Yeah, sure socialism 'worked' in Viet Nam. It worked so good that VN had to change and invite foreigners, starting with the JPNese and the SKReans, to save the country from collapse.
Wow, I told u so many time abt Lennin new economy policy ( NEP) but seem like ur IQ is too low to understand NEP .

Ur IQ explain why Amrcan cant get good jobs to make money to pay back CN-JP debt and have to keep surviving by subsidize money Trump borrow more from CN-JP.

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The Soviet authorities partially revoked the complete nationalization of industry (established during the period of War Communism of 1918 to 1921) and introduced a system of mixed economy which allowed private individuals to own small enterprises,[2] while the state continued to control banks, foreign trade, and large industries.[3] In addition, the NEP abolished prodrazvyorstka (forced grain-requisition)[2] and introduced prodnalog: a tax on farmers, payable in the form of raw agricultural product.[4

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy
 

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