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China, India perform dangerous new dance of encircler, counter-encircler

NEW DELHI — It was billed as a new assertiveness, when India’s usually meek Prime Minister Manmohan Singh supposedly looked his Chinese counterpart in the eye at a summit in Bali last weekend and defended his country’s “commercial” right to explore for oil and gas in the South China Sea.

But it was also a sign of rising frictions between India and China, and of what experts see as a dangerous new game between the world’s most populous nations.


Threatened by China’s rapidly growing ties with its South Asian neighbors, India is increasingly trying to penetrate Beijing’s traditional sphere of influence, and the mutual irritations are beginning to show.

Coming just after India and Vietnam agreed to jointly explore two ocean blocks just off the fiercely contested Spratly Islands, Singh’s stance in Bali prompted a frosty response from the Chinese Foreign Ministry.

“We don’t hope to see outside forces involved in the South China Sea dispute and do not want to see foreign companies engage in activities that will undermine China’s sovereignty and rights and interests,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Lin Weimin told reporters in Beijing.

The Chinese Communist Party newspaper put it even more bluntly in an editorial last month, accusing India and Vietnam of “reckless attempts in confronting China” and warning that Indian society was unprepared for a “fierce conflict” with China on the issue.

A 15th round of talks between leading diplomats from both sides originally scheduled for Monday was called off at the last minute, with Indian media blaming growing "dissonance" after the summit in Bali. Specifically, media reports said China had demanded the Indian government prevent the Dalai Lama from speaking at an international Buddhist conference due to take place in the Indian capital this week, a condition the authorities in New Delhi refused to accept.

On one level, the discord reflects China’s sensitivities over the South China Sea and resistance to outside interference in its dispute with nearly every country in the region over the potentially resource-rich ocean.

But it also represents a deterioration in relations between India and China over the past six years, and a new strategic contest in which each country has been increasingly active in what would once have been seen as the other’s “back yard.”

While their leaders publicly maintain that there is enough room for both countries to grow, experts and officials say Asia’s heavyweights are irritating each other more and more.

“Both footprints are going to expand, the Chinese one much faster,” said C. Raja Mohan of the Center for Policy Research in New Delhi. “There is going to be overlap, there is going to be friction. The challenge is how to manage it.”

So far, the neighbors do not seem to be managing the frictions particularly well, and nationalist sentiment appears to be rising in both countries.

Fears of encirclement

Indian fears of encirclement by China date back decades but have been heightened in recent years by Beijing’s tighter embrace of — and investment in — other South Asian countries, from India’s arch-rival Pakistan to traditional ally Nepal, from Sri Lanka to Bangladesh to Burma.
China, India perform dangerous new dance - The Washington Post
 
nowadays we are dancing together?? now thats a punchline...

On a more serious note,I would very much like to see who wants to harm his own economy and get into a fight.The Chinese can be a lot of things,but they are not lunatics itching for a fight,neither India.Both have other more important things to care about,like the economy.

I will leave the warmongering to those who never cared about their own economy or well-being.
 
nowadays we are dancing together?? now thats a punchline...

On a more serious note,I would very much like to see who wants to harm his own economy and get into a fight.The Chinese can be a lot of things,but they are not lunatics itching for a fight,neither India.Both have other more important things to care about,like the economy.

I will leave the warmongering to those who never cared about their own economy or well-being.

There is a difference between "wanting" to do something, and being forced to do something.

Authoritarian governments cannot lose face in front of their own people, or they will lose legitimacy.

If you force such a government to choose between losing face or launching a war, they will literally have no choice but to fight.

Like what happened after Nehru's Forward Policy. Nehru gave them no choice, and he got the result.
 
One even wonders if there is even a comparison between the two as rightly pointed out some think tank in Delhi.



“Both footprints are going to expand, the Chinese one much faster,” said C. Raja Mohan of the Center for Policy Research in New Delhi."
 
The one thing that author failed to notice/mention is that the more China asserts itself the more arrogance it shows to the world, the more India will stand up to defend her interests as the recent events suggests, China is the only country in the world that can wake up Indian Nation ,,,

Chinese leadership is determined to make China a military and economic superpower by whatever means possible, leaving India no choice to maintain the same socialistic, non align, passive policies that India follows.

The day China stop asserting itself that same day India will move back to her passive, non align policies the author fails to understand this simple fact the only driver for change in India's global stature will be China.

Indian Nation's full potential can only be achieved when there is a strong aggressive China stands on her borders.
 
Indian Nation's full potential can only be achieved when there is a strong aggressive China stands on her borders.

Well, in that case you should be thankful to China, but strangely most indians are seen whining about China's assertiveness.
 
There is a difference between "wanting" to do something, and being forced to do something.

Authoritarian governments cannot lose face in front of their own people, or they will lose legitimacy.

If you force such a government to choose between losing face or launching a war, they will literally have no choice but to fight.

Like what happened after Nehru's Forward Policy. Nehru gave them no choice, and he got the result.

we Indians like to take a decision based on profit and loss.I think the Chinese govt. evolved from the 1960s to a great extent to do the same..Oh well,if you say otherwise,I will just take your word for it.
 
we Indians like to take a decision based on profit and loss.I think the Chinese govt. evolved from the 1960s to a great extent to do the same..Oh well,if you say otherwise,I will just take your word for it.

Yes, a cost/benefit analysis... but from the perspective of the CPC. Where the costs and benefits are not economic, but political.

Just try looking at it from their point of view.
 
The one thing that author failed to notice/mention is that the more China asserts itself the more arrogance it shows to the world, the more India will stand up to defend her interests as the recent events suggests, China is the only country in the world that can wake up Indian Nation ,,,

Chinese leadership is determined to make China a military and economic superpower by whatever means possible, leaving India no choice to maintain the same socialistic, non align, passive policies that India follows.

The day China stop asserting itself that same day India will move back to her passive, non align policies the author fails to understand this simple fact the only driver for change in India's global stature will be China.

Indian Nation's full potential can only be achieved when there is a strong aggressive China stands on her borders.

You seem to have missed the detrimental difference between the two on their foreign policy, Chinese are known to teach you how to catch a fish rather than merely feeding you one and they certainly don't contain the likes of Bhutan or Sikkim in their foreign policy credentials. In fact, even Hong Kong was handed back on a platter.
 
The point is that china is still developing and foolishly it takes itself as superpower and stated bulling its neighbors when some bully it evokes fear sycosis among others.

Its for the china to decide what way it wants.
 
You seem to have missed the detrimental difference between the two on their foreign policy, Chinese are known to teach you how to catch a fish rather than merely feeding you one and they certainly don't contain the likes of Bhutan or Sikkim in their foreign policy credentials. In fact, even Hong Kong was handed back on a platter.

There is little or Null scope for the so called containment strategy when it comes to Giant Neighbors like India and China, it simply
doesn't matter, if China is trying to woo Indian Neighbors or India follows the same path, Irrespective of popular thoughts countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh or Taiwan, Vietnam cant do anything to help contain India or China. The only thing boils down to
how much India or China are willing to sacrifice in an event of military conflict. The country more willing to sacrifice will get more
dominating in war but at the end of it no body will come out as a clear winner like in WW2, no country out of two has and will be having the kind of resources needed to reach Delhi or Beijing, whoever tries to be aggressor out of the two will suffer more and will be pushed back.

Nuclear Conflict is out of the scope as both countries will avoid this option.
 

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