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Bangladesh at the Crossroads

Yes MMS had to indicate that... n your foreign minister had to say in private to hilary please do not say us in public what to do...

I may be a child but sensible

not irrational and diluted elder like you whose only purpose is trolling.

I don't troll.

I give facts and it is ill equipped like you who cannot fathom it, who thinks it is trolling.

I will concede that I do not understand more than half of your English eg 'diluted elder'. It leaves me out of my depth since it is not English!

Can we return to the topic or is it beyond your comprehension to comment and so you take up irrelevant issues to show that you, too, exist!
 
Sami.

I think you have an independent opinion as to who is a troll.

Should I say any more?

Now, get back to the topic, if you can understand it.
 
sami6108 don tell me what to do..don't forget you are just a bangladeshi and it was because of you that tomato and pumpkin were banned (though i dont know any of them just read their posts) dont try to take advantage of impartial behaviour of mods here

and its my choice when to sleep and when to wake (m on my country's defence forum) , you better go back to your slum

stop trolling and personal attacks

:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:

If you continue to behave like this next time Coco boy will get ban along with the ip. Then you will not even be able to get access to this forum. N we all know who was pumpkin boy and tomato boy. No need to explain.

You can change name but not ip as changing ip is beyond your capability.
 
A good analysis before the last elections.

Has anything changed

Cut to the present.

There is no doubt that political milieu of Bangladesh has encouraged corruption, poverty and a less than efficient educational system. Instability has dogged Bangladesh’s history, which has even copycatted Pakistan in jettisoning democracy for military rule. The country is powder keg catalysed by its chronic. In the political void, radical Islamism is find roots threatening the secular democratic system. It must be remembered that religion is the last post for the despondent to finding solace. God is an unknown entity and this unknown factor raises hope since God is taken to be the panacea when all temporal entities fail! A very natural reaction for the disconsolate!

There has been an influx of Saudi money and many madrassas have sprouted. The concept of madrassa is very socially commendable. However, religious education alone cannot equip a person to become a constructive professional in the modern world. The danger of Saudi money in funding and erecting madrassa is dangerous since they promote the Saudi Wahabi interpretation which has proved to be a radical variety and has brought more woe to Islam than anything else. Jettisoning the benign Islam, which was the staple in the subcontinent, may, thus, not be ideal for progress, prosperity and marching into the world. One has to only observe the sad state of Pakistan, where they are being emasculated by these very Wahabi madrassa elements, who also are Pakistanis! Pakistan, prior to Zia, was a vibrant nation, intermittent military rule notwithstanding. In fact, under Ayub, her economy was stronger than its neighbour India. Today, because of the international turmoil caused by these very Saudi funded Wahabi Talibs, Pakistan is not only embroiled in the much loathed War on Terror as a surrogate of the US policies, but also fighting for its very internal existence with the same Saudi Wahabi terrorists, who want to sweep Pakistan from being a modern, progressive and vibrant nation into the obscurity of the Middle Ages cloaked in mediaeval customs and traditions that have little meaning in the contemporary modern world.

The question that begs an answer is that if Bangladesh is also in the vice grip of the Wahabi cult of Islam, will it be able to make the progressive and economic strides it has made so far? Will it then go into the turmoil that Pakistan is in? While Pakistan can surface from the Wahabi stranglehold since there appears now that a total disgust has set in at the state of affairs, will Bangladesh be able to emulate the same? That is the moot point.

The other issue, if the West finds the Wahabi cult grip expanding, will it sit still? After all, they would not like another terror centre to threaten their existence. What will happen to all the Bangaldeshis in western land? Already, there is an aversion towards immigrants and it is finding recognition in their new policies. If the West gets as irrational as the Wahabis and deports all Bangladeshis including the British born back to Bangladesh, will Bangladesh be able to absorb them? This is not a hypothetical kiteflying. The disgust is very palpable. What if some others also do the ‘me too’ following the Western example? Imagine the consequences.

In case one feels that China will stand by and be gleeful about the march of Islam, one should disabuse oneself of the same. China is a country that is very averse to instability in thought or composition. The heavy handed crackdowns bear witness. Further, the Global Times has indicated its apprehension of fundamentalist Islam.

Therefore, instead of giving vent to emotions and religiosity without thought, Bangladesh must look at the long term situation.

Stop all of your fantasies and amplification of wahabism. Wahabism plays a very minor role even if it has any. Just look at Islamic channel of Bangladesh you will hardly find anything that is reflecting wahabish even in all the islamic talk show.

Even inmadrasha wahabi money is not wide spread in Bangladesh. Mostly run on donation from affluent people of the society. I know because my parents and relatives contribute to these madrashas.

N blamming zia for the economic turmoil is nothing but just promoting fantasies or propaganda at best. Ayub khans rule was before liberation war n Zia's rule was after liberation war. It is not easy to make a war torn country economically rich overnight. It takes time.

For example look at Iraq. The most strongest and educated country in the middle east even during Saddam's rule. Now will you blame the present PM maliki for the economic condition even though iraq's economy was in much better shape during sanction time undder saddam.

Bangladeshis's are not fool or blind or hate monger like the bhatis. Now thanks to the spread of internet and media people can see and realize what is really happening surrounding them. N both BNP and BAL is loosing its charm from the public. Even 10 years ago many young and old people were die heart supporter of them but hardly they are now other then some party supported and senior people who are old enough to do so just like you.. who see all the deeds and work of the bhartis and hindus as right even in occasion where they are wrong. Try to day dream about India that it is a pretty rich country and people's are having heaven like life where as the reality is completely different.

For example Mumbai one of the most richest city in India but this is also a place where 60% people are slum dweller. Yes it has some extremely rich people but the number of poor people is many and people living below poverty line is higher then Bangladesh.

Bangladesh is slowly and gradually coming out from all of its short comings. It will have a prosperous future then many other state of south asia in medium to longer term. Just compare with India. After 40 years of independence around 1990s India bankrupted itself even it did not go though destruction like Bangladesh during its independence. Bangladesh is now in much better position then India of 1990. In terms of per capita GDP it is in 2006 position of India with 819 USD per capita GDP. With 2005 economic base year if it is calculated then hardly it may lagged behind by 1 or 2 year or may even remain ahead of India. Due to smaller in size and same ethnic people Bangladesh has chances to become the 1st developed country in South Asia.

Yes we all know now what bangladesh is needed is industrialization and manufacturing based economy just like China which the policy makers are looking for n that requires . That requires resolving of power crisis and investment in infrastructure. If political parties are reformed it will accelerate the growth more further.

N lastly Bangladeshi people in general are more religious then saudi themselves. Religious belief does not come from wahhabism but from heart. So Bangladeshi people will remain towards Islam then the so called secularism. But we are moderate towards other people. Thats why you will not see any riot in Bangladesh like in India.

Secularism is a ploy by the west to divert people of Asia and africa from their belief and tradition to the west. But are the western countries are secular??? Answer is no... In USA religion matters a lot during politics. Just recall the case of OBAMA during his election time. Still gay marriage is not permitted in many religion. Apart from christian religious holiday no other religious holiday is granted. Many european countries uses cross in their flag. Just see why turkey is not in the EU. So we do not need to hear the speech of secularism from west and from a resident of country like India.
 
The article writer is a zionist. The thread opener, well y'all know how dedicated he is about BD. When those two mate, the product is a thread like this one !!!

A WORTHLESS ARTICLE TO SUM IT UP.
 
Stop all of your fantasies and amplification of wahabism. Wahabism plays a very minor role even if it has any. Just look at Islamic channel of Bangladesh you will hardly find anything that is reflecting wahabish even in all the islamic talk show.

Even inmadrasha wahabi money is not wide spread in Bangladesh. Mostly run on donation from affluent people of the society. I know because my parents and relatives contribute to these madrashas.

N blamming zia for the economic turmoil is nothing but just promoting fantasies or propaganda at best. Ayub khans rule was before liberation war n Zia's rule was after liberation war. It is not easy to make a war torn country economically rich overnight. It takes time.

For example look at Iraq. The most strongest and educated country in the middle east even during Saddam's rule. Now will you blame the present PM maliki for the economic condition even though iraq's economy was in much better shape during sanction time undder saddam.

Bangladeshis's are not fool or blind or hate monger like the bhatis. Now thanks to the spread of internet and media people can see and realize what is really happening surrounding them. N both BNP and BAL is loosing its charm from the public. Even 10 years ago many young and old people were die heart supporter of them but hardly they are now other then some party supported and senior people who are old enough to do so just like you.. who see all the deeds and work of the bhartis and hindus as right even in occasion where they are wrong. Try to day dream about India that it is a pretty rich country and people's are having heaven like life where as the reality is completely different.

For example Mumbai one of the most richest city in India but this is also a place where 60% people are slum dweller. Yes it has some extremely rich people but the number of poor people is many and people living below poverty line is higher then Bangladesh.

Bangladesh is slowly and gradually coming out from all of its short comings. It will have a prosperous future then many other state of south asia in medium to longer term. Just compare with India. After 40 years of independence around 1990s India bankrupted itself even it did not go though destruction like Bangladesh during its independence. Bangladesh is now in much better position then India of 1990. In terms of per capita GDP it is in 2006 position of India with 819 USD per capita GDP. With 2005 economic base year if it is calculated then hardly it may lagged behind by 1 or 2 year or may even remain ahead of India. Due to smaller in size and same ethnic people Bangladesh has chances to become the 1st developed country in South Asia.

Yes we all know now what bangladesh is needed is industrialization and manufacturing based economy just like China which the policy makers are looking for n that requires . That requires resolving of power crisis and investment in infrastructure. If political parties are reformed it will accelerate the growth more further.

N lastly Bangladeshi people in general are more religious then saudi themselves. Religious belief does not come from wahhabism but from heart. So Bangladeshi people will remain towards Islam then the so called secularism. But we are moderate towards other people. Thats why you will not see any riot in Bangladesh like in India.

Secularism is a ploy by the west to divert people of Asia and africa from their belief and tradition to the west. But are the western countries are secular??? Answer is no... In USA religion matters a lot during politics. Just recall the case of OBAMA during his election time. Still gay marriage is not permitted in many religion. Apart from christian religious holiday no other religious holiday is granted. Many european countries uses cross in their flag. Just see why turkey is not in the EU. So we do not need to hear the speech of secularism from west and from a resident of country like India.

Let these Modi lovers enjoy their time. Indian Supreme court certified that Indians are communal by equaling Hinduvta= way of life. Supreme court ruled that this does not violate secularism !!! You realize how messed up those Judges are !

These boys in Khakis will take extra long time to paint BD as Islamist, which is just a bunch of BS. Communal BJP destroyed the Babri Mosque, following riots killed thousands of Muslims, not a single soul ever tried or convicted. Here Gramps going off on a make believe Islamist with a mission to malign peace loving BD people.
 
The article writer is a zionist. The thread opener, well y'all know how dedicated he is about BD. When those two mate, the product is a thread like this one !!!

A WORTHLESS ARTICLE TO SUM IT UP.

Let these Modi lovers enjoy their time. Indian Supreme court certified that Indians are communal by equaling Hinduvta= way of life. Supreme court ruled that this does not violate secularism !!! You realize how messed up those Judges are !

These boys in Khakis will take extra long time to paint BD as Islamist, which is just a bunch of BS. Communal BJP destroyed the Babri Mosque, following riots killed thousands of Muslims, not a single soul ever tried or convicted. Here Gramps going off on a make believe Islamist with a mission to malign peace loving BD people.

Sums up your capability to indulge in some discussion where knowledge is required.

Care to explain one statement indicating intelligence and knowledge.

It is all personal attacks and expression of clichéd fantasies!

If aliens are looking for intelligent life?! WHY THE HECK ARE YOU SCARED?!
 
Stop all of your fantasies and amplification of wahabism. Wahabism plays a very minor role even if it has any. Just look at Islamic channel of Bangladesh you will hardly find anything that is reflecting wahabish even in all the islamic talk show.

Even inmadrasha wahabi money is not wide spread in Bangladesh. Mostly run on donation from affluent people of the society. I know because my parents and relatives contribute to these madrashas.

According to reports, the Saudi Arabian Embassy in New Delhi is pushing - somewhat tentatively - India's Human Resource Development Ministry and Minorities Commission to set up new madrassas (seminaries) in India. The same reports claim the Saudi royal family has cleared plans to construct 4,500 madrassas in India, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka at a cost of US$35 million, to promote "modern and liberal education with Islamic values".
The House of Saud sees the setting up of madrassas as an exercise to correct the distorted worldwide image of Islam. Crown Prince Abdullah pulled up the Jeddah-based International Islamic Council and Riyadh-located World Muslim Council recently for not having done enough to improve Islam's image.
But similar attempts to put Islam in the right light were rebuffed in Europe after the Madrid commuter-train bombings. China, too, has rejected all religious donations coming in from abroad. India would do well to lead South Asia in doing the same. The Saudi proposal to set up thousands of madrassas in South Asia comes with a big bundle of cash, and is admittedly a public relations exercise.
The Saudi money would be dispersed through nine Jamaat-e-Ulema organizations in the four countries, and the project is targeted to take off in February 2005, reports indicate. It is difficult to fathom New Delhi acceding to the Saudi request. Presently, there are an estimated 35,000 madrassas in India, big as well as small, with an enrollment of about 1.5 million. Most of these have remained attractive to the poor as they provide free education. But the madrassas were originally meant to be purely religio-cultural institutions aimed at preserving and propagating Islamic traditions. They are no longer centers of knowledge and excellence, now enmeshed in the grip of orthodoxy and conservatism.
Saudis stoke South Asian fears. Build 4,500 madrassas in India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka

Now, if the Saudis want to correct the image of Islam through the madrassa, would they preach the Hanafi , Shafi`I, Maliki or Hanbali school of Islamic thought?

Do I have to mention what the Wahabi cult is all about, its reach and its effect? The threads on this very forum is indicative of their style of spreading Islam.

N blamming zia for the economic turmoil is nothing but just promoting fantasies or propaganda at best. Ayub khans rule was before liberation war n Zia's rule was after liberation war. It is not easy to make a war torn country economically rich overnight. It takes time.

The fact that you are steeped in cleverly spread disinformation is so evident by this.

During Zia’s period there was no war. In fact, he was flush with US money since the US was hell bent in defeating the USSR in Afghanistan. Maybe you should read Brig Yousaf’s ‘Bear Trap’. Brig Yousaf was the Deputy of the ISI Chief. You could also read John K Cooley’s ‘Unholy Wars’. Both will give you an insight of the money and weapons poured into Pakistan under Zia.

Zia’s illegal government ( I hope you are aware he came into power by an army coup on 5 July 1977). He had 6 years of peace in Pakistan. Now compare that with Ayub’s. Ayub had a war during his tenure (1965) and yet, economically Pakistan was on pig’s back. Pakistan, under his regime was economically stronger than India. Pakistan’s gross national product rose by 45%.

Therefore, it proves you are woefully short of facts, but high on fantasy!

For example look at Iraq. The most strongest and educated country in the middle east even during Saddam's rule. Now will you blame the present PM maliki for the economic condition even though iraq's economy was in much better shape during sanction time undder saddam.

Are you aware that Saddam suppressed Islam? He did not allow these religious head honchos interfering in Iraq’s progress and he hated the Saudis! The Saudi Wahabis played along with the US for his downfall!

But what is the connection?

Bangladeshis's are not fool or blind or hate monger like the bhatis. Now thanks to the spread of internet and media people can see and realize what is really happening surrounding them. N both BNP and BAL is loosing its charm from the public. Even 10 years ago many young and old people were die heart supporter of them but hardly they are now other then some party supported and senior people who are old enough to do so just like you.. who see all the deeds and work of the bhartis and hindus as right even in occasion where they are wrong. Try to day dream about India that it is a pretty rich country and people's are having heaven like life where as the reality is completely different.

For example Mumbai one of the most richest city in India but this is also a place where 60% people are slum dweller. Yes it has some extremely rich people but the number of poor people is many and people living below poverty line is higher then Bangladesh.

Indeed because of the Internet, we all know about Bangladesh. We see the chaos.

I have not understood your rambling – N both BNP and BAL is loosing its charm from the public. Even 10 years ago many young and old people were die heart supporter of them but hardly they are now other then some party supported and senior people who are old enough to do so just like you.. who see all the deeds and work of the bhartis and hindus as right even in occasion where they are wrong

You must be coherent and not ramble. I will attempt to understand it. I take it you are meaning that people who are of the older generation do not see India in adverse light as you and your younger lot. If that is what you are trying to convey, I would only state that you all are behaving in the same way as children who have got rich and comfortable forget the sacrifice their parent have endured to put their children in the comfortable zone and be rich. Are you aware of the situation before when it was East Pakistan? Just after Partition, East Pakistan was way richer than West Pakistan. However, as the years went by East Pakistan became poor, while West Pakistan got rich. I will not go in the reasons for the same. When East Pakistan became Bangladesh it was a ‘bread basket’ case of the world. Today, you are in a far better condition than then. Therefore, it is disgracefully ungrateful of those who condemn the elders of Bangladesh, whose sacrifice has got you where you are! Are you aware of the sacrifice of those who got you the Liberation? No, all you understand is the good life their sacrifice has given you. Have some shame in your bones. Be a Man!

Bangladesh is slowly and gradually coming out from all of its short comings. It will have a prosperous future then many other state of south asia in medium to longer term. Just compare with India. After 40 years of independence around 1990s India bankrupted itself even it did not go though destruction like Bangladesh during its independence. Bangladesh is now in much better position then India of 1990. In terms of per capita GDP it is in 2006 position of India with 819 USD per capita GDP. With 2005 economic base year if it is calculated then hardly it may lagged behind by 1 or 2 year or may even remain ahead of India. Due to smaller in size and same ethnic people Bangladesh has chances to become the 1st developed country in South Asia.

Again, you appear to be dumb as a doorknob. You disingenuously covert your self pity into grandeur of some victory parade. Were you born when India was Partitioned? What makes you feel it was a smooth sail and there was no havoc as was faced by Bangladesh during its Liberation? Are you aware of the numbers who died and the number who became destitute overnight? If you are not aware of basic history, I suggest please don’t grandstand. It shows you up as the mere bonehead that you are. You must not let your fantasy take hold over you over reality and facts. Please go back to school and start again, you deserve it!

Your contentions on economical state require another look since you wish to be selective and do not have the acumen to look at it holistically. Do give me something more to have a great laugh other than your fantasising – Bangladesh has chances to become the 1st developed country in South Asia..

Yes we all know now what bangladesh is needed is industrialization and manufacturing based economy just like China which the policy makers are looking for n that requires . That requires resolving of power crisis and investment in infrastructure. If political parties are reformed it will accelerate the growth more further.

Too many ‘Ifs’. If ‘Ifs’ were not there, then one could say that Bangladesh would be the No 1 suerpower! Now, who could challenge that because there is the ‘If’ appended?

If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.

N lastly Bangladeshi people in general are more religious then saudi themselves. Religious belief does not come from wahhabism but from heart. So Bangladeshi people will remain towards Islam then the so called secularism. But we are moderate towards other people. Thats why you will not see any riot in Bangladesh like in India.

Is there an international index that indicates which people are more religious than others? One does not have riots, but one see the repression. Just to use your own line – because of the internet. Now, if the minorities are dispersed by design, into penny packets, how the Dic.kens can you have riots? In India, we have had the riots because there are stronghold and ghettoisation of the minorities. Read and read intelligent devoid of the baggage that you carry and you will see light! It is not to the credit of Bangladesh, it is the question of dispersion into penny packets. Water confined in a dam can burst and cause devastation, but a stream or a river merely flows on!

Secularism is a ploy by the west to divert people of Asia and africa from their belief and tradition to the west. But are the western countries are secular??? Answer is no... In USA religion matters a lot during politics. Just recall the case of OBAMA during his election time. Still gay marriage is not permitted in many religion. Apart from christian religious holiday no other religious holiday is granted. Many european countries uses cross in their flag. Just see why turkey is not in the EU. So we do not need to hear the speech of secularism from west and from a resident of country like India.

If secularism a ploy, then are you suggesting that India declare itself a Hindu state and repress the Muslims and make them move into Bangaldesh and Pakistan. Would you amongst the two of you handle 138,188,240 Muslims of India?

So. Let us not talk through our hat on our pet peeves.
 
On secularism.

A Muslim's interpretation.

Just a few days before the creation of Pakistan, while inaugurating the Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947, Jinnah spoke of an inclusive and pluralist democracy promising equal rights for all citizens regardless of their religion, caste or creed

Most people seem to suffer from a preconceived, inherent repulsion to the idea of secularism, equating it with atheism, anarchy, anti-religious or, more importantly, anti-Islamic concept. What do we really mean by a ‘secular’ Pakistan? We mean a nation that neither supports nor opposes any religion, where all citizens, regardless of their faith, are respected and treated as equal. It defines a state in which the faith of citizens becomes irrelevant for the will of the majority reigns supreme. Pakistan was conceived as a country where every citizen will live in harmony while practising their individual faiths without interfering in the beliefs of others. Pakistan equally belongs to the Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, atheists and all other minorities living in it. We are all Pakistanis first. Going by this definition, it is all the more clear that Islam carries within itself the inherent attributes of a secular code of conduct, forming the very foundation of the Islamic beliefs.

The inherent secular nature of Islam is evident from the following Quranic verses: “Had God willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them” (6:107) and “Do not revile those unto whom they pray beside God, lest they wrongfully revile God through ignorance” (6:108). Islam does not preach coercion of believers of other faiths as the Holy Quran says, “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256) and “(So) for you is your religion and for me is my religion” (109:6). According to Abu Dawood 3:170, the Prophet (PBUH) said, “Beware! If anyone dared oppress a member of minority community or usurped his right or tortured him more than his endurance or took something away forcibly without his consent, I would fight (against such Muslims) on his behalf on the Day of Judgment.” At another point the Prophet (PBUH) said, “Whoever killed a member of a minority community, he would not smell the fragrance of paradise though fragrance of paradise would cover the distance of forty years (of travelling)” (Ibne Rushd, Badiya-tul-Mujtahid, 2:299).

The phrase ‘laa ilaaha illa Allah’ (there is no deity except God) is one of the major pillars of the Muslim faith. The phrase echoed in the slogan “Pakistan ka matlab kya : Laa ilaaha illa Allah” as the struggle for the creation of Pakistan was nearing its completion, despite the fact that most of the religious leaders and parties were against this idea and joined the chorus at a later stage when the creation of a separate homeland became inevitable.

What was the father of the nation fighting for? Just a few days before the creation of Pakistan, while inaugurating the Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947, Jinnah spoke of an inclusive and pluralist democracy promising equal rights for all citizens regardless of their religion, caste or creed. His vision was very clear. A homeland was being created for a population, the majority of which was Muslim, but which ensured equal rights for all the people living under the same umbrella. He did not want Pakistan to be a theocracy, a form of government in which a state is understood as being governed a clergy or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided. During a broadcast talk to the people of the US on Pakistan (recorded February 1948), the Quaid said, “In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.” Ironically, Quaid’s vision was ignored and instead Objectives Resolution was adopted which simply negated what Jinnah had conceived.

In addition, Pakistan’s name was changed to ‘Islamic Republic of Pakistan’. A new definition of who is a ‘Muslim’ was legislated and it was required that all citizens, while applying for a passport or a national ID card, must sign an oath in this regard. Religion is a personal matter of an individual and a matter between him and his Creator, but we have ordained it to the state. Not only that, we have given the state a religion of our own interpretation. A state cannot be categorised or labelled on the basis of religion. In Europe, there are 22 secular states followed by 20 in Africa, 17 in Asia, seven in North and South Americas and three in Oceania. Interestingly, the growth rates in the fields of science, technology, and literature, just to name a few areas, in developed secular countries are the highest in the world.

The Quaid’s vision of Pakistan was in line with the true spirit of Islamic injunctions. But both of these have been ignored in favour of religious orthodoxy that is pushing the nation towards complete disaster. Self-interested interpretations of religion have politicised religion and turned it into a salable commodity. The irony is that the majority is afraid to speak up against backward religious elements, who have done disservice to Islam by distorting its message and caused huge damage to the country in the name of religion.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

I think it is adequate since it also quotes from the Muslim scriptures.

Of course, Wahabis and those indoctrinated by the Saudi financed madrassa and those who are enamoured by the pelf of the Saudi Bedou Arabs will disagree.

And some may even be ungrateful enough to say - Who is this Jinnah.

Well, Jinnah is really not anybody if one has not read history or cared to know it. He was just a simple man, who gave the Muslims a homeland! That is about all! Nothing much, right?
 
To all Arab lovers and clones

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/30937-gulf-excess-pakistani-slaves.html

Go and lie at their feet!

They don't care about your being Muslims and maybe they don't even recognise that!

You certainly don't know what you're talking about.
If your knowledge regarding something is based on
texts then don't preach like a honey bee.

The whole arab is not like what you think it is.
Saudis only portray weird and conflicting attitudes.
Talk to any Lybian, Egyptian or Iranian characters
you'd know the difference.
 
Well, integra, must you lecture me?

The meaning of 'Mohajir' that you asked me about since you did not know any Hindi or Urdu, is at Verse 100 Chapter 9.

BTW, I have been to Arab and Muslim lands elsewhere.

The Arabs treat non Arabs, except the white man, as total trash!

Read that thread of this very forum (PDF), the link of which I given you.

Ask Asim. I know for sure he is in Dubai from childhood.

Egyptians and Iranians are cool.

I have met many Iranian professors and I found them very civilised. In courses of instruction, I have also had Iranian, Palestinian (man and wife), Libyan (ADC to Gaddafi), Malay, Nigerians, Omani (a Prince and his wife and mother) and other Muslim country students as my coursemates and later on, I taught many too including Bangladeshis.

So, it is not that non Indian Muslims to me are as if they are some aliens who have landed from Mars!

I have non Indian Muslim relatives (and not from Bangladesh if that is material to you).

I certainly do know what I am talking about.

I would be surprised if I would be talking through my hat with you all dying to pounce on me for even a mistake in the punctuation!!
 
You certainly don't know what you're talking about.
If your knowledge regarding something is based on
texts then don't preach like a honey bee.

The whole arab is not like what you think it is.
Saudis only portray weird and conflicting attitudes.
Talk to any Lybian, Egyptian or Iranian characters
you'd know the difference.

I'm sure the Iranians are thrilled to bits knowing that they are Arabs.
 

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