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Where is the proof of your above claim?

As usual, you are arguing with me just only to prove that India and only India was responsible for Pilkhana carnage. Now, i am talking about some of the real causes inside both the army and BGB that initiated army rebellion in 1975 by Taher, and BDR rebellion in 2008 in Pilkhana. Now, you are losing your nerve because you cannot prove DIRECTLY any foreign involvement in Pilkhana. Stop a circular argument and accept the truth.
 
I do not think, this is the only point that triggered rebellion in Pilkhana. There were reasons such as bribe taking by the BGB troops from the smugglers. BA officers do not endorse this, which makes BGB Jawans angry with the BA officers.

Forget about indian involvement now, we know you are desperate to use that to cover claim you have made. Where is the proof of your above claim? Where is Pheelkhana massacre report? Apart from indian dalali you need to come clean with prove your claim on BDR. And indians are the one who use these kinds of spread.
 
Forget about indian involvement now, we know you are desperate to use that to cover claim you have made. Where is the proof of your above claim? Where is Pheelkhana massacre report? Apart from indian dalali you need to come clean with prove your claim on BDR. And indians are the one who use these kinds of spread.

Before blaming India, we Bangladeshis should point the finger at ourselves first. It was a massive failure for our Bangladeshi NSI and DGFI, heads should have rolled, but nothing happened, not a single intelligence officer was fired.
 
As usual, you are arguing with me just only to prove that India and only India was responsible for Pilkhana carnage. Now, i am talking about some of the real causes inside both the army and BGB that initiated army rebellion in 1975 by Taher, and BDR rebellion in 2008 in Pilkhana. Now, you are losing your nerve because you cannot prove DIRECTLY any foreign involvement in Pilkhana. Stop a circular argument and accept the truth.

Wait...you mean Col. Taher? That was a different matter!

You see, Col. Taher was a die hard Communist and his ideas were very different from both Mujib and Zia. He was a wannabe leader like Mujib.

After Mujib's assassination and Zia as the leader, he indoctrinated many of his troops with his ideas. They were extreme leftist ideas, Communism basically. What happened there was 'an army within an army', there is a term for this in Bengali, but I forgot it.

He intended to overthrow Zia's government, but this only ended in blood with many, many soldiers dying. It was a bloody end for those guys.

The man was a traitor in my eyes and should be remembered for his treachery.

I don't see how Pilkhana and Col. Taher are even remotely related.

As far as Pilkhana is concerned, I do have my suspicions of the Awami League's involvement. Can't say anything concrete about the Indians.

Why did Hasina not send reinforcements in time? Why did she refuse? Why wasn't an investigation carried out? Why was Facebook and youtube blocked? Seems all hush hush.

Someone incited the jawans to kill the officers. You and I know that there was discrimination of the BDR boys, but what would motivate them to butcher their superiors? The murdered officers were some of the brightest and most senior officers in the Bangladesh Army.

Someone within our armed forces was playing psychological games with those BDR boys.

I have no doubt that the perpetrators of the tragedy are still out there. Even a child in Bangladesh knows this.

So much for national security.
 
Wait...you mean Col. Taher? That was a different matter!

You see, Col. Taher was a die hard Communist and his ideas were very different from both Mujib and Zia. He was a wannabe leader like Mujib.

After Mujib's assassination and Zia as the leader, he indoctrinated many of his troops with his ideas. They were extreme leftist ideas, Communism basically. What happened there was 'an army within an army', there is a term for this in Bengali, but I forgot it.

He intended to overthrow Zia's government, but this only ended in blood with many, many soldiers dying. It was a bloody end for those guys.

The man was a traitor in my eyes and should be remembered for his treachery.

I don't see how Pilkhana and Col. Taher are even remotely related.

As far as Pilkhana is concerned, I do have my suspicions of the Awami League's involvement. Can't say anything concrete about the Indians.

Why did Hasina not send reinforcements in time? Why did she refuse? Why wasn't an investigation carried out? Why was Facebook and youtube blocked? Seems all hush hush.

Someone incited the jawans to kill the officers. You and I know that there was discrimination of the BDR boys, but what would motivate them to butcher their superiors? The murdered officers were some of the brightest and most senior officers in the Bangladesh Army.

Someone within our armed forces was playing psychological games with those BDR boys.

I have no doubt that the perpetrators of the tragedy are still out there. Even a child in Bangladesh knows this.

So much for national security.

Hasina was very slow to act, few of the generals and colonels wanted to act very fast but they didn't. The biggest mistake hasina made was not to surround pilkhana, but she was not a general and her advisers were just bellend. I have an uncle that is a colonel and my father has few military friends in high positions, i heard a few stories that i am not allowed to discuss, even my dula bhai is a major, he is not supposed to discuss anything about pilkhana in public.
 
Sadly the same for Indian army. There is a big gap between officers and non officers. Non officers are treaded like dogs.

Is it true..then its truly regrettable.

No wonder Western armies are at the top of their game. Look at Hollywood films the heroes are either NCOs like Seargants or JCOs like Lieutenant.
 
This is one reason that BGB troops demanded officers to be directly recruited by or promoted from their own organization. BA cannot accept this because it will cause a breakdown of chain of command, and the cases of smuggling will increase in the border without BA officers supervising their acts.

Thats just a very feeble excuse. I think the main reason is that BA does not want BGB to function independently.
In India the officers of paramilitaries belong to that force itself except for high command which may include people from police force (IPS) on deputation.
 
Thats just a very feeble excuse. I think the main reason is that BA does not want BGB to function independently.
In India the officers of paramilitaries belong to that force itself except for high command which may include people from police force (IPS) on deputation.

The defence strategy is little different here than Indian case. BGB will be readily integrated with BD army if there were a war breaks out. That is how it is structured and is always under army command. The 2nd most important factor is that we have to defend our territory from zero line as there is no strategic depth for our army. We need to take on enemy land asap. Thats the strategy and thats how it is laid out.
 
The defence strategy is little different here than Indian case. BGB will be readily integrated with BD army if there were a war breaks out. That is how it is structured and is always under army command. The 2nd most important factor is that we have to defend our territory from zero line as there is no strategic depth for our army. We need to take on enemy land asap. Thats the strategy and thats how it is laid out.

Then it will be much easier if BGB is disbanded and absorbed into BA. A lot of administrative problems can be solved by this way.
 
Wait...you mean Col. Taher? That was a different matter!

You see, Col. Taher was a die hard Communist and his ideas were very different from both Mujib and Zia. He was a wannabe leader like Mujib.

After Mujib's assassination and Zia as the leader, he indoctrinated many of his troops with his ideas. They were extreme leftist ideas, Communism basically. What happened there was 'an army within an army', there is a term for this in Bengali, but I forgot it.

He intended to overthrow Zia's government, but this only ended in blood with many, many soldiers dying. It was a bloody end for those guys.

The man was a traitor in my eyes and should be remembered for his treachery.

I don't see how Pilkhana and Col. Taher are even remotely related.

I think, you are a little mistaken about the 1975 rebellion.

1) Col. Taher was certainly a communist minded man whose goal was to take over the administration of BD and become its dictator. However, he knew he could not encourage troops to side with him because communism is REGARDED by the troops and population against religion.

2) This is why, when Gen. Musharref staged a military coup on 3 Nov. 1975, he very cunningly used all the grievances the common troops held against their Officers. He also used the popularity of Gen Ziaur Rahman, who was held captive, with the common Jawans. Taher circulated leaflets that contained all the grievances caused by batmanship, low salaries, remote chances of promotion etc. to instigate the soldiers, who started to kill the Officers and their family members.

It was a terrible time in Dhaka from 3 to 7 November, 1975. People were worried about an IA intervention. No one really knows how many soldiers werte killed in the 3-way fighting among Gen. Khaled Musharref, Col. Taher and Gen. Zia. But, finally Zia won.

3) Col Taher's adventurism failed when the rebellious troops released Gen. Zia and asked him to lead resistance against Gen. Khaled Musharref fearing that Khaled was an Indian implant.

I hope, you can see now how similar grievances were cunningly used by leaders of both the rebellions of 1975 and 2008. This is why BD military must get rid of the main causes of unrest. The private life of a Private soldier must be respected by the overzealous officers and their meanminded, arrogant, snobbish and ugly wives.
 
Thats just a very feeble excuse. I think the main reason is that BA does not want BGB to function independently.
In India the officers of paramilitaries belong to that force itself except for high command which may include people from police force (IPS) on deputation.

1) Look, India is a very big country with almost unlimited resources to mobilize during war time. But, BD is without resource. Only our chain of command will assure us a wartime mobilization. This is why army officers always head and lead our BGB and also Ansar and VDP. Ansar and VDP combinedlly have more than a million people who are trained how to shoot small and light arms.

2) They can be mobilized fast during war time if an army officer (a Major General) heads it and many junior officers train them, and are their Commanding Officers. The Ansars fought with their .303 rifles against the machine gun holding PA in 1971, and lost about 565 men in action.

3) BA cannot and should not relinquish control on these armed forces of Bangladesh. We do not have to compare ourselves with the military structure of India. BGB is a border guard, but its troops are trained also with medium arms. It is a fighting force. Therefore, BA needs all kinds of control over it in preparation for a war with any of our neighbours.
 
1) Look, India is a very big country with almost unlimited resources to mobilize during war time. But, BD is without resource. Only our chain of command will assure us a wartime mobilization. This is why army officers always head and lead our BGB and also Ansar and VDP. Ansar and VDP combinedlly have more than a million people who are trained how to shoot small and light arms.

On this point, there should be frequent training of the Ansars and VDP with the Army which will further strengthen their idea of 'national' security. They, whatever the fact is, are not burdened with meeting external threats from other countries like our Defense Force...hence i would suggest them to be given limited and controlled training and idea on how to mobilize, act and respond during a war scenario. This will not only improve their personal skills, but also their method of maintaining internal security.

They must also be made to feel that they are equally responsible for Bangladesh's security, just like an Air Marshall or a General. Its all about the feeling of a 'team-work', so that no one thinks one is better then the other. They are total of 1 million, and if they can fire a simple MANPAD along with a .303, then why not!


Cheers!!!
 
Military needs psychologists that can educate officers about morales.

I think its more of a practice-based problem then mentality. IMO they should make it very clear to all the Officers and make them sign agreements before or after promotion, that they cannot use non-officers for their personal work and benefits. They should set up a strong restriction and implement it. Its not going to work with just counselling...as they say "Old habits die hard"!


Cheers!!!
 

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