Australian Terrorist : Tough Questions should be asked

[TheNoob]

Well, not that I blame him for being brainwashed....
His hate and fear got the best of him.

My condolences to the families.

He did not have to act this way.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Australian 9 News coverage revealed that Christchurch mosque main attacker an Australian from New South Wales visited Pakistan few years earlier and praised the people of Pakistan for their hospitality.

We ask a question from the world. Shouldn't this terrorist, an Australian be treated as exporting the terrorism to foreign countries and Australia be charged and declared as a terrorist country for harboring terrorists. Australia using its territory to export terror to the world!!

If not why not!!! Why there is duplicity and hypocrisy!!

With the same token, the Bangladesh team barely survived the terrorist attack on New Zealand soil. Same thing happened in Pakistan when Sri Lankan team was attacked and survived.
The third test in Christchurch between Bangladesh and New Zealand is cancelled. But shouldn't the international cricket be suspended in New Zealand, like it is suspended in Pakistan after attack on Sri Lankan team!!

Should we Pakistanis be asking these questions from ICC who is extremely under the influence of the Indians.

We should also ask for ICC to put a ban on Australian Cricket Teams participation in international competition for exporting the terrorism to foreign land.

We should ask the world, why there is double standards, when Pakistan was a victim of terror it was still punished, because the Indians wanted the international cricket to stop in Pakistan.
ICC should be made to answer some tough questions.

I don’t mean any disrespect, but focusing on cricket penalties right now is not correct. Please stop.

 

[Dubious]

Except that you can't. Their laws on guns are even stricter than Pakistan. Less than 1% own weapons which are not hunting rifles.

Just for additional insight and clearance on his trip to Pakistan;
In his manifesto or whatever you want to call it, he said that he has travelled a lot and loved the hospitality of cultures and the people there and wished them the best, but he did not like that the people from different cultures were trying to impose their culture and socio-political beliefs on " the ethnic white."
The above are his words, not mine, I do not condone him and I condemn his act.

Also, on a side note, this thread is horrible; let us not call out "hypocrisies" or try to gain upper hand, or even make a point, in political world over the dead bodies of innocents. Childish thread, not sorry to say.

I am sorry to say SOMEONE has to ask these questions...Considering we have a whole generation in their teens now who have been hearing about Pakistan but we dont see it being replicated no matter how many school shootings happen in USA nor how many get endangered in Europe...It seems that those standards are only for Muslim countries while non Muslims only have 1-100 psychologically unstable lone wolves...who every now and then somehow manage to get deadly weapons and do mass shootings....So yes there is clear hypocrisy but no one has the balls to point it out!

The timing may not be right but it never is!

Exactly. So you agree to my concerns for duplicity and double standards.
During the period there had been many terrorists incidents in India. Did they showed concerns to visit India!!
If not why not!! We all know that the attack on Sri Lankan team was orchestrated by the Indians. They should have been punished for exporting terrorism not Pakistan, which was a victim.
Unless we start sending our concerns, point of view and facts to the world the situation would not change.
We will always come across Indian propaganda on international stage, like the ex-ambassador to Russia was displaying on RT. It was good that the presenter was ready and she put him in his place. But mostly such propaganda goes unanswered and unchallenged. India has build a narrative, we have to counter it, we have tons of facts available to us, why we shy away. Why are we not taking the Indian manipulative liars head on!!

My simple answer to all your questions is that we dont have good PR...Pakistanis dont know how to deal in that area...

We recently saw the indian attacking us and how ISPR and PMIK countered them quickly with diplomacy, wits and brain power....It was well played and that is what we need on a global scale!

I don’t mean any disrespect, but focusing on cricket penalties right now is not correct. Please stop.

The "FOCUS" is not on cricket penalties but that was used as an example...The focus is on the hypocrisy!

 

[crankthatskunk]

Those who are criticising opening of this thread. Let me elaborate.

Recently because of Pulwama incident, two nuclear armed countries came close to nuclear war, which could have change the life on Planet earth as we know it.
After the incident, we are told Jesh accepted they carried out that attack. It was a telephone call. Did we hear who claimed the responsibility!! Do we know if that telephone call was authentic!! Without knowing who made the call , who accepted the responsibility. If the phone call and the person claiming responsibility was genuine or not.
Blame is squarely put on Pakistan.
Based on that one unauthenticated and dubious phone call, India decided to take unilateral action against Pakistan and attacked Pakistan.
Can these facts be denied!!

Now lets compare it with the incident in New Zealand.

We know that the terrorist in NZ attacks is from Australia. His identity is known and confirmed.
In Pulwama the attacker was from IOK. His identity is known and confirmed.
We know that NZ attacker was well prepared, he had automatic weapons and explosives on him. He arranged them.
We know Pulwama attacker had massive amount of explosives on him. Where he gets such huge amount of explosives!! How he was able to go through so many check points and able to hit the convey!!

Hypocrisy:

1- A person who is living under Indian's rule conducted an act, but Pakistan is blamed without any proofs. Even the identity of the caller or his origins are not known.
2- Australian national is identified. He planned and carried out a terrorist attack with military precision.

So why the Australia should not be declared as a country harboring and exporting terrorism!! While baseless charges are leveled against Pakistan by India in every international forum.
Pakistan was put on trial in the UNSC without any proofs of Jesh and Azhar's involvement!!
Shouldn't Australia face same treatment!!

 

[Dubious]

With the same token, the Bangladesh team barely survived the terrorist attack on New Zealand soil. Same thing happened in Pakistan when Sri Lankan team was attacked and survived.
The third test in Christchurch between Bangladesh and New Zealand is cancelled. But shouldn't the international cricket be suspended in New Zealand, like it is suspended in Pakistan after attack on Sri Lankan team!!

Should we Pakistanis be asking these questions from ICC who is extremely under the influence of the Indians.

We should also ask for ICC to put a ban on Australian Cricket Teams participation in international competition for exporting the terrorism to foreign land.

We should ask the world, why there is double standards, when Pakistan was a victim of terror it was still punished, because the Indians wanted the international cricket to stop in Pakistan.
ICC should be made to answer some tough questions.

Pakistan minister asks ICC to suspend cricket in NZ after Christchurch shooting


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ISLAMABAD: Humans Rights Minister Dr Shireen Mazari on Friday condemned the mass shooting at two mosques in New Zealand's Christchurch that killed multiple people.

Bangladesh cricket team members also visited one of mosques that came under attack.

The minister linked the incident to Islamophobia urging the ICC to take notice of the shooting.
She said the ICC should perhaps suspend international cricket in New Zealand after "this act of terrorism'.

"Condemnable act of terrorism as Islamophobia reaches NZ," she wrote on Twitter while sharing a news report.

She later deleted the tweets calling them badly timed.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...nd-cricket-in-new-zealand-after-terror-attack

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

I've some tough questions that need to be answered: how come all I'm hearing from Muslims is "thoughts and prayers *praying hands emoji* *candle emoji*"? A white terrorist butchers 50 supplicants while they're doing their duty to Allah and that's all you can muster? Where's the fury? Where are the calls for retribution? This:

Well, not that I blame him for being brainwashed....
His hate and fear got the best of him.

is the reaction?? Bet if he did something really offensive like draw Mohammad (how is that even logically possible since no one knows what he looked like) then the bullets would already be flying. Seriously, the terrorists who murdered the French cartoonists yelled, "We've avenged the Prophet!" Which "lion of the ummah" is going to avenge this massacre?
You know where whitey is, you know where these terrorists hang out, you know how to find their families. "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families." Good advice.

 

[Lincoln]

You can call this thread what you want. Deal with the facts. We have been shying away from such bold steps and questions, that's why we are where we are at the moment in the world. We had undeniable proofs of Indian terrorism in Pakistan. What we did with them!! Coy and hiding in safe corners!!
Look where this approach has brought Pakistan!!
You don't see Indians coming on our own forums and calling Pakistan and Pakistanis terrorists!! While there had been numerous evidence available that terrorists incidents in India were of their own doing!!
I already said I am saddened from the horrific terrorism costing the lives of almost 50 of my brethren.
You didn't read that part!!

I don't see how false flag attacks by India are even remotely related to this incident. And how are inability to produce evidence due to incompetency; a different truth; or soft side; is related to this incident either? Where are you drawing the connection?

 

[PakSword]

Pakistan minister asks ICC to suspend cricket in NZ after Christchurch shooting


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ISLAMABAD: Humans Rights Minister Dr Shireen Mazari on Friday condemned the mass shooting at two mosques in New Zealand's Christchurch that killed multiple people.

Bangladesh cricket team members also visited one of mosques that came under attack.

The minister linked the incident to Islamophobia urging the ICC to take notice of the shooting.
She said the ICC should perhaps suspend international cricket in New Zealand after "this act of terrorism'.

"Condemnable act of terrorism as Islamophobia reaches NZ," she wrote on Twitter while sharing a news report.

She later deleted the tweets calling them badly timed.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...nd-cricket-in-new-zealand-after-terror-attack

This lady should be removed from her post. She should know by now that he is a minister not in opposition

 

[Lincoln]

I am sorry to say SOMEONE has to ask these questions...Considering we have a whole generation in their teens now who have been hearing about Pakistan but we dont see it being replicated no matter how many school shootings happen in USA nor how many get endangered in Europe...It seems that those standards are only for Muslim countries while non Muslims only have 1-100 psychologically unstable lone wolves...who every now and then somehow manage to get deadly weapons and do mass shootings....So yes there is clear hypocrisy but no one has the balls to point it out!

The timing may not be right but it never is!


My simple answer to all your questions is that we dont have good PR...Pakistanis dont know how to deal in that area...

We recently saw the indian attacking us and how ISPR and PMIK countered them quickly with diplomacy, wits and brain power....It was well played and that is what we need on a global scale!


The "FOCUS" is not on cricket penalties but that was used as an example...The focus is on the hypocrisy!

Fair enough, but with respect, is the timing really right? People died for crying out loud, can we give the world and the people a break before we go do pointless bashing again in cheap taste.

These are mature states, we should not be playing politics over dead bodies like a bunch of kindergarten kids.

I say, so what if ICC doesn't ban international cricket in New Zealand. What is it to us, you want to punish other countries just because you got punished although that country had no hand in it, and it would make no difference to us.

Furthermore, context is very important; the shooter/terrorist intended to shoot people at mosque, not sportsmen; and it is also that doesn't happen as frequently as it used to in Pakistan.

We need to be taking this - what could spiral badly around the world - very seriously, again not playing petty politics over it.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Is he caught or something?

 

[Dubious]

Fair enough, but with respect, is the timing really right? People died for crying out loud, can we give the world and the people a break before we go do pointless bashing again in cheap taste.

1) I dont think there is anything cheap here!
2) I dont think the timing will EVER be right!
3) It is usually when the sentiments are high, when you can ask in a certain direction
4) 9/11 is close to 2 decades, but since the day it happened, questions had been asked in a specific direction...I dont say it is right, but it appears that the world reacts to things when asked at the worst of times!

These are mature states, we should not be playing politics over dead bodies like a bunch of kindergarten kids.

No one is playing politics, it is a question by an anonymous member on an international forum! It actually shows thinking hasnt died!

I say, so what if ICC doesn't ban international cricket in New Zealand. What is it to us, you want to punish other countries just because you got punished although that country had no hand in it, and it would make no difference to us.

We are not talking about punishment but walking on the side of equality!
We got punished for something not entirely related to us. In 9/11 there were also Saudi nationals but Saudi got out unscratched and we became the scapegoat.
Pakistan also paid for the crimes of indian terrorism...

Furthermore, context is very important; the shooter/terrorist intended to shoot people at mosque, not sportsmen; and it is also that doesn't happen as frequently as it used to in Pakistan.

The context has nothing to do with sports just like the context during our time had nothing to do with religion yet it was dragged around and still is!

We need to be taking this - what could spiral badly around the world - very seriously, again not playing petty politics over it.

Again it is not politics....Mazari is human rights minister...She is voicing for the rights of Pakistani....it is about equality that is why she is questioning not the PM, FM nor President!


Like I said we have a whole generation of citizens in their teens who only lived in post 9/11 Pakistan...Did they deserve that? All the jeering, hate, labeling, restrictions?

 

[Falcon29]

I've some tough questions that need to be answered: how come all I'm hearing from Muslims is "thoughts and prayers *praying hands emoji* *candle emoji*"? A white terrorist butchers 50 supplicants while they're doing their duty to Allah and that's all you can muster? Where's the fury? Where are the calls for retribution? This:

is the reaction?? Bet if he did something really offensive like draw Mohammad (how is that even logically possible since no one knows what he looked like) then the bullets would already be flying. Seriously, the terrorists who murdered the French cartoonists yelled, "We've avenged the Prophet!" Which "lion of the ummah" is going to avenge this massacre?
You know where whitey is, you know where these terrorists hang out, you know how to find their families. "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families." Good advice.

Relax, brother, Allah(SWT) is there and he is the only one who can provide ultimate justice for everything that has passed. Those poor souls are with him now inshallah enjoying his glad tidings/mercy of dying during jum'aah prayers. What we need to is take legal action against incitement on internet/media platforms while also secure our mosques more. Also try to tackle terrorism and bigotry from whomever it comes from.

Our leaders need to come up with a unified plan to deal with the situation of violence against innocents in our regions and also to combat these propagandists who incite hatred against Muslims. The problem is political disputes are preventing that, and if I had a solution to those disputes I would have gave it out.

 

[Dubious]

I've some tough questions that need to be answered: how come all I'm hearing from Muslims is "thoughts and prayers *praying hands emoji* *candle emoji*"? A white terrorist butchers 50 supplicants while they're doing their duty to Allah and that's all you can muster? Where's the fury? Where are the calls for retribution? This:

is the reaction?? Bet if he did something really offensive like draw Mohammad (how is that even logically possible since no one knows what he looked like) then the bullets would already be flying. Seriously, the terrorists who murdered the French cartoonists yelled, "We've avenged the Prophet!" Which "lion of the ummah" is going to avenge this massacre?
You know where whitey is, you know where these terrorists hang out, you know how to find their families. "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families." Good advice.

1) I am going to issue you a warning for :either this is a troll or you are just being a typical idiot!
2) Muslims are not violent as you have heard or been brainwashed to think [no different than the shooter I suppose]
3) We believe to die in prayer is not an absolute loss! However, we do understand it is difficult for families hence thoughts and prayers...
4) As for the prophet's drawings it happened multiple times while this incident did not....
5) I def do not approve of your mental state of taking out families, do seek professional help you do need it!

 

[crankthatskunk]

I don't see how false flag attacks by India are even remotely related to this incident. And how are inability to produce evidence due to incompetency; a different truth; or soft side; is related to this incident either? Where are you drawing the connection?

Brother, what are you talking!!
Are you seriously thinking that someone has to do exactly like the Pulwama attack to consider it the same!!
1- A youth who himself was a victim of Indian's aggression and ethnic cleansing took out his anger on the security forces of the occupiers who have murdered hundred of thousands Kashmiris.
2- One white supremist in his hate, without any provocations, on the basis of his Islamophobic ideas killed 50 people.
Which one looks worst crime to you!!! Remember freedom is recognised as a legitimate cause in the UN charter.
Those countries like USA, UK and France have fought against the Nazi criminals for the independence of France and other Western and Eastern European countries. Didn't they killed the Nazi's to liberate their countries!!

Remember, I am raising the hypocrisy of the West on this forum. We should demand the same treatment for Australia, what is implemented on Pakistan without any proofs. Here the culprits, the motives and involvement of an Australian national are all known.
Don't be an apologist.

 

[PradoTLC]

this guy probably went there to plan to kill pakistanis.... he must seen one of our soldiers and decided to kill in a pussy state like NZ where police isnt even armed