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© Brook Mitchell The lockout laws have been blamed for the decline in nightlife in Sydney's CBD.

Sydney is a city that has “lost its soul”, “ruined” by over-development, expensive real estate, and poker machines.

That’s according to Sydneysiders responding to academic Rohan Miller’s description of the city as “dreary” last week, as reported in The Sun-Herald.

Dr Miller, a senior lecturer at the University of Sydney Business School, blamed heavy-handed government policies, particularly lock-out laws and over-policing, for killing Sydney’s nightlife.

The story struck a nerve with readers, with 179 comments in 24 hours, mostly agreeing with Dr Miller. While residents appreciate Sydney’s natural beauty, there was a common feeling that over-regulation and relentless pursuit of profit had destroyed the city’s creative spirit and sense of fun.

“We’ve been riding on that climate, natural beauty and the general decency of Sydney people since I was a little kid, many decades ago,” one commenter said. “It’s a pity we allowed the overlords to steal and destroy everything else.”

Dr Miller this week said urban planners had failed to provide nightlife for Sydney’s burgeoning population, with “no consideration for our need to play”.

“Policymakers don't seem to be thinking about the needs of adults to be entertained away from their homes or local restaurants,” Dr Miller said. "Where do adults go if they want to have a night out?"

A parliamentary report into the music and arts economy in NSW, released last week, found the sector was crushed by onerous regulations banning disco balls, DJs and dancing.

The inquiry, chaired by the Christian Democrats MLC Paul Green, suggested the appointment of a Minister for Music among 60 recommendations to revive the state's ailing music industry.

Mr Green said NSW was in the midst of a live music crisis with venues permanently closing down across the state, particularly in Sydney.

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© Brook Mitchell George Street, Sydney, on Friday night.

"This situation is having a devastating effect on career pathways for young musicians, destroying the touring network, adversely affecting Sydney's cultural reputation, and taking a toll on visitor experiences," he said.

The City of Sydney, meanwhile, has a proposal to allow 24-hour trading in the CBD and encourage more night-time venues on the city fringe.

Sun-Herald readers argued that Sydneysiders are too financially squeezed to enjoy a good night out – and if they do head out, they find pokies instead of live music, and no public transport to get them home.

“It's my observation that after the vast majority of Sydney residents have paid the rent or mortgage, paid the bills and put some food on the table there is very little disposable income or energy left to head over into the city after dark,” one commenter said. “On top of that you have the pokie machines, casinos and betting apps ... sucking the lifeblood and billions of dollars from the economy every year.”

In a common refrain, another reader said: “Sydney has been ruined over 30 years by poker machines and the consolidation of liquor licences to ever growing venues so they can have more and more of them. This has closed all the local pubs where communities gathered to socialise.”

As a result, Sydney lacked the vibrancy of cities in Europe, where small local pubs, cafes and restaurants were plentiful.

Another reader noted, sarcastically: “There are no trains running to transport the joyous, buzzing crowds and families who will be flocking to the vibrant, pulsing city at 2am.”

Meanwhile, special events and festivals drew criticism for “absurd prices” and “tiny portions” meaning a “potentially wonderful event that would bring people together is ruined by greed”.

“Sydney will never be exciting or joyous, everything is ruined by over-regulation or exorbitant pricing,” a reader said.

Another said they had moved out of Sydney and never looked back. “Sydney was a great place to grow up in but it lost its soul. Overcrowded roads, highrise after highrise, lack of infrastructure, huge burden of toll roads, and lack of foresight in building a sustainable and family / people friendly environment.”

But some thought the negativity was exaggerated.

“Honestly, dreary? Yeah the lockout laws need to be scrapped, but dreary is taking it a little too far. There's still plenty to do in Sydney,” one commenter said.

“It's an amazing, safe, exciting place with a fabulous climate, great people and some of the most stunning natural beauty on earth ... please get a grip,” another said.

Kat Dopper, Heaps Gay producer and Mardi Gras board member, told The Sun-Herald Sydney’s nightlife was changing and shifting away from areas such as Kings Cross and Darlinghurst but “still very much alive”.

“Venues are working harder to get people out earlier and are offering cultural events of a higher standard,” she said. “We are also seeing more creativity in the structure of events, including the activation of non-traditional event spaces.”

Adrian Tonon, Detroit’s night-time economy ambassador, told a conference in Sydney last week that cities with a nightlife attract entrepreneurs as well as catering for people who do not work nine-to-five and are safer.

Detroit has suffered long-term population decline and bankruptcy as a result of loss of industry, but has sought to turn around its fortunes by fostering a nighttime economy based on its famed musical past, reusing abandoned buildings, supporting creative industries and 24-hour zoning.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...y-sydney-hits-home/ar-BBPNZEw?ocid=spartanntp

So what do you guys think? Has Sydney lost its soul? I am from Melbourne so I think Melbourne is a great city, puts Sydney to shame, Melbourne has been rated the most livable city in the world 7 times in a row and only this year lost it's title.
 
If people want to experience Australia

Visit the beautiful natural landscapes.

Cbd's are boring.

I hope one day I will visit Shark Bay and Alice Springs.
 
@TruthTheOnlyDefense on the one hand we want the rowdy nightlife of Las Vegas and in the other hand we want the peace and security of Europe. Not going to happen. Americans have become much more tolerant of crime. On the other hand, the article itself provides insight about European nightlife:

As a result, Sydney lacked the vibrancy of cities in Europe, where small local pubs, cafes and restaurants were plentiful.

But the question is, is this what the young clientele of Sydney wants? The answer, as far as I understand, is No!!! And so they introduced the lockdown laws to control the rowdiness.

Melbourne follows the European model and it has a vibrant nightlife.
 
@TruthTheOnlyDefense on the one hand we want the rowdy nightlife of Las Vegas and in the other hand we want the peace and security of Europe. Not going to happen. Americans have become much more tolerant of crime. On the other hand, the article itself provides insight about European nightlife:



But the question is, is this what the young clientele of Sydney wants? The answer, as far as I understand, is No!!! And so they introduced the lockdown laws to control the rowdiness.

Melbourne follows the European model and it has a vibrant nightlife.

Yep, that is very true, we can't have everything, Melbourne is the cultural capital of Australia and Melbourne has retained that. We have almost everything here in Melbourne, awesome cafes, restaurants, nightlife while Sydney has???????? The Opera House, so the winner has to be Melbourne. :woot::smitten:
 
If you can spend 500 dollars per head, you can have an awesome night out in Sydney. I personally don't like Melbourne, its too wannabe, too hipster. Sydney is the more Australian city of the two. Melbourne wants to be European and American at the same time, and ends up being a city with no character of its own.
 
If you can spend 500 dollars per head, you can have an awesome night out in Sydney. I personally don't like Melbourne, its too wannabe, too hipster. Sydney is the more Australian city of the two. Melbourne wants to be European and American at the same time, and ends up being a city with no character of its own.

Come on mate, Melbourne has more character than any city in Aust, be honest now don't let your bias colour your perspective.
 
Yep, that is very true, we can't have everything, Melbourne is the cultural capital of Australia and Melbourne has retained that. We have almost everything here in Melbourne, awesome cafes, restaurants, nightlife while Sydney has???????? The Opera House, so the winner has to be Melbourne. :woot::smitten:

Can you open threads on each major city and things to do there?
 
Come on mate, Melbourne has more character than any city in Aust, be honest now don't let your bias colour your perspective.

Yes Melbourne has character, but borrowed character, unlike Sydney. I am not biased against Melbourne. But as someone who has lived most of his adult life in the country side and mining towns of Australia, I find Sydney to be more representative of the Australian culture and way of life.
 
Yes Melbourne has character, but borrowed character, unlike Sydney. I am not biased against Melbourne. But as someone who has lived most of his adult life in the country side and mining towns of Australia, I find Sydney to be more representative of the Australian culture and way of life.

Sydney is a soulless city, no life, no soul, no culture, sorry mate but thems the facts.

Can you open threads on each major city and things to do there?

What would you like to know? @Roybot would be a good one to ask as well.
 
Sydney is a soulless city, no life, no soul, no culture, sorry mate but thems the facts.



What would you like to know? @Roybot would be a good one to ask as well.

Let's say I am visiting Brisbane. What are some fun, adventurous things to do? Scenic sights to see? A dedicated thread would allow others to contribute and share their experiences.
 
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© Brook Mitchell The lockout laws have been blamed for the decline in nightlife in Sydney's CBD.

Sydney is a city that has “lost its soul”, “ruined” by over-development, expensive real estate, and poker machines.

That’s according to Sydneysiders responding to academic Rohan Miller’s description of the city as “dreary” last week, as reported in The Sun-Herald.

Dr Miller, a senior lecturer at the University of Sydney Business School, blamed heavy-handed government policies, particularly lock-out laws and over-policing, for killing Sydney’s nightlife.

The story struck a nerve with readers, with 179 comments in 24 hours, mostly agreeing with Dr Miller. While residents appreciate Sydney’s natural beauty, there was a common feeling that over-regulation and relentless pursuit of profit had destroyed the city’s creative spirit and sense of fun.

“We’ve been riding on that climate, natural beauty and the general decency of Sydney people since I was a little kid, many decades ago,” one commenter said. “It’s a pity we allowed the overlords to steal and destroy everything else.”

Dr Miller this week said urban planners had failed to provide nightlife for Sydney’s burgeoning population, with “no consideration for our need to play”.

“Policymakers don't seem to be thinking about the needs of adults to be entertained away from their homes or local restaurants,” Dr Miller said. "Where do adults go if they want to have a night out?"

A parliamentary report into the music and arts economy in NSW, released last week, found the sector was crushed by onerous regulations banning disco balls, DJs and dancing.

The inquiry, chaired by the Christian Democrats MLC Paul Green, suggested the appointment of a Minister for Music among 60 recommendations to revive the state's ailing music industry.

Mr Green said NSW was in the midst of a live music crisis with venues permanently closing down across the state, particularly in Sydney.

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© Brook Mitchell George Street, Sydney, on Friday night.

"This situation is having a devastating effect on career pathways for young musicians, destroying the touring network, adversely affecting Sydney's cultural reputation, and taking a toll on visitor experiences," he said.

The City of Sydney, meanwhile, has a proposal to allow 24-hour trading in the CBD and encourage more night-time venues on the city fringe.

Sun-Herald readers argued that Sydneysiders are too financially squeezed to enjoy a good night out – and if they do head out, they find pokies instead of live music, and no public transport to get them home.

“It's my observation that after the vast majority of Sydney residents have paid the rent or mortgage, paid the bills and put some food on the table there is very little disposable income or energy left to head over into the city after dark,” one commenter said. “On top of that you have the pokie machines, casinos and betting apps ... sucking the lifeblood and billions of dollars from the economy every year.”

In a common refrain, another reader said: “Sydney has been ruined over 30 years by poker machines and the consolidation of liquor licences to ever growing venues so they can have more and more of them. This has closed all the local pubs where communities gathered to socialise.”

As a result, Sydney lacked the vibrancy of cities in Europe, where small local pubs, cafes and restaurants were plentiful.

Another reader noted, sarcastically: “There are no trains running to transport the joyous, buzzing crowds and families who will be flocking to the vibrant, pulsing city at 2am.”

Meanwhile, special events and festivals drew criticism for “absurd prices” and “tiny portions” meaning a “potentially wonderful event that would bring people together is ruined by greed”.

“Sydney will never be exciting or joyous, everything is ruined by over-regulation or exorbitant pricing,” a reader said.

Another said they had moved out of Sydney and never looked back. “Sydney was a great place to grow up in but it lost its soul. Overcrowded roads, highrise after highrise, lack of infrastructure, huge burden of toll roads, and lack of foresight in building a sustainable and family / people friendly environment.”

But some thought the negativity was exaggerated.

“Honestly, dreary? Yeah the lockout laws need to be scrapped, but dreary is taking it a little too far. There's still plenty to do in Sydney,” one commenter said.

“It's an amazing, safe, exciting place with a fabulous climate, great people and some of the most stunning natural beauty on earth ... please get a grip,” another said.

Kat Dopper, Heaps Gay producer and Mardi Gras board member, told The Sun-Herald Sydney’s nightlife was changing and shifting away from areas such as Kings Cross and Darlinghurst but “still very much alive”.

“Venues are working harder to get people out earlier and are offering cultural events of a higher standard,” she said. “We are also seeing more creativity in the structure of events, including the activation of non-traditional event spaces.”

Adrian Tonon, Detroit’s night-time economy ambassador, told a conference in Sydney last week that cities with a nightlife attract entrepreneurs as well as catering for people who do not work nine-to-five and are safer.

Detroit has suffered long-term population decline and bankruptcy as a result of loss of industry, but has sought to turn around its fortunes by fostering a nighttime economy based on its famed musical past, reusing abandoned buildings, supporting creative industries and 24-hour zoning.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...y-sydney-hits-home/ar-BBPNZEw?ocid=spartanntp

So what do you guys think? Has Sydney lost its soul? I am from Melbourne so I think Melbourne is a great city, puts Sydney to shame, Melbourne has been rated the most livable city in the world 7 times in a row and only this year lost it's title.


Actually Australia lost its soul when the British and European invaded and exterminated the native brown folks.
 

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