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Wow I always thought Indian army aviation was a joke so far with their alouettes and lamas. Nice to see them modernizing so rapidly. Although with the number of pilots they are training per year, I think they're gonna face a pilot shortfall in the near future.

If anyone can answer this, what is the procedure for becoming an army pilot? I doubt the NDA has a course. Or do they induct air force helo pilots?

NDA,IMA,OTA have the same training for every cadet its at passing out time the cadet puts in his option for what arm in the service he'll go for:infantry,artillery,logistics,aviation etc. once the choice is given he is trained after commission into that field in the army during your tenure there a lot of courses an officer attends according to his rank.
 
This is what i got in a forum :

Air power on the cheap
Small, slow and inexpensive propeller-driven planes are starting to displace fighter jets


JET fighters may be sexy in a Tom Cruise-ish sort of way, but for guerilla warefare—in which the enemy rarely has an air force of his own with which to dogfight—they are often not the tool for the job. Pilotless drones can help fill the gap. Sometimes there is no substitute for having a pilot on the scene, however, so modern air forces are starting to turn to a technology from the yesteryear of flying: the turboprop.

So-called light-attack turboprops are cheap both to build and to fly. A fighter jet can cost $80m. By contrast the 208B Caravan, a light-attack turboprop made by Cessna, costs barely $2m. It also costs as little as $500 a hour to run when it is in the air, compared with $10,000 or more for a fighter jet. And, unlike jets, turboprops can use roads and fields for takeoff and landing.

Nor is it only jets that light-attack turboprops can outperform. Armed drones have drawbacks, too. The Reaper, made by General Atomics, can cost $10m or more, depending on its bells and whistles. On top of that, a single drone can require a team of more than 20 people on the ground to support it, plus satellite communications. A manned turboprop can bomb an insurgent for a third of the cost of using a drone, according to Pat Sullivan, the head of government sales at Cessna. And there are strategic considerations, too. Many countries’ armed forces rely on allies such as America for the expertise and satellite networks needed to run drones. Such allies can let you down in a pinch. :happy_2:Piloted light-attack planes offer complete operational independence—and, being lower-tech than many drones, are less subject to restrictions on exports in the first place.

They are also better, in many ways, than helicopters. To land a chopper safely in the dirt requires sophisticated laser scanners to detect obstacles hidden by dust thrown up by the downdraught of the rotors. On top of this, such dust makes helicopter maintenance even more difficult than it is already. Maintaining turboprops, by contrast, is easy. According to Robyn Read, an air-power strategist at the Air Force Research Institute near Montgomery, Alabama, they can be “flown and maintained by plumbers”.

Turboprops are also hard to shoot down. Air Tractor, another firm that makes cropdusters, branched out into warplanes last year. One reason was that a fleet of 16 unarmed versions of its aircraft had been used by America’s State Department to dust South American drug plantations with herbicide—an activity that tends to provoke a hostile response from the ground. Despite the planes’ having been hit by more than 200 rounds, though, neither an aircraft nor a pilot has been lost.


In part, this is because of the robust mechanics of turboprops and in part because Air Tractor’s fuel tanks have rubber membranes which close around bullet holes to slow leaks. Add extra fuel tanks, which let the plane stay aloft for ten hours, six 225kg precision-guided bombs and more than 2,000kg of missiles, rockets and ammunition for two 50-calibre machineguns, and you have the AT-802U, a formidable yet reasonably cheap (at $5m) warplane.

Light-attack aircraft also now sport much of the electronics used by fighter jets. The MX-15, an imaging device made by L-3 WESCAM, a Canadian company, allows a pilot to read a vehicle’s license plate from a distance of 10km. It is carried by both the AT-802U and the AT-6, a top-of-the-range light-attack plane made by Hawker Beechcraft.

Not surprisingly, then, many countries with small defence budgets are investing in turboprops. Places that now fly them, or are expected to do so, include Brazil, Chile, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco and Venezuela. And the United States. For the biggest military establishment in the world, too, recognises the value of this new old technology. The American air force plans to buy more than 100 turboprops and the navy is now evaluating the Super Tucano, made by Embraer, a Brazilian firm.

In aerial combat, then, low tech may be the new high tech. And there is one other advantage that the turboprop has over the jet, at least according to Mr Read—who flew turboprops on combat missions in Cambodia during the 1970s. It is that you can use a loudspeaker to talk to potential targets before deciding whether to attack them.

Military technology: Air power on the cheap | The Economist

We can look at :

Super Tucano
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AT-802U
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AT-6
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I think it is ideal not only for our anti-piracy operations but also anti-naxal operation. We can also keep an eye on North East area and the islands using this in a very cost-effective way.
 
Wow I always thought Indian army aviation was a joke so far with their alouettes and lamas. Nice to see them modernizing so rapidly. Although with the number of pilots they are training per year, I think they're gonna face a pilot shortfall in the near future.

If anyone can answer this, what is the procedure for becoming an army pilot? I doubt the NDA has a course. Or do they induct air force helo pilots?

Entry route is via NDA/IMA. Nominally they are part of the Artillery Corps. But the way the expansion is going; Army Aviation Corps will become stand-alone. Though their initial training is with the IAF, later they complete their training in Devlali. There are no IAF pilots in Army aviation.
 
NDA,IMA,OTA have the same training for every cadet its at passing out time the cadet puts in his option for what arm in the service he'll go for:infantry,artillery,logistics,aviation etc. once the choice is given he is trained after commission into that field in the army during your tenure there a lot of courses an officer attends according to his rank.

Just to clarify; NDA is a tri-services institution. While IMA and OTA are Army only institutions. Induction of GCs in IMA is from NDA (cadets who opt for Army) and direct selection. While induction for OTA is from Graduate Entry and NCC entry (C-Cert. Holders). OTA cadets are usually Short Service Officers or for Branches like JAG. and Edu.
In case of Army Aviation Officers, they will opt post IMA, then basic flying training with the IAF. Earlier the Army had fixed-wing FAC observer aircraft like the Auster and Krishaks. Now they are long gone and the rotary wing element remains, viz. Chetaks and Cheetahs.
 
Wow I always thought Indian army aviation was a joke so far with their alouettes and lamas. Nice to see them modernizing so rapidly. Although with the number of pilots they are training per year, I think they're gonna face a pilot shortfall in the near future.

If anyone can answer this, what is the procedure for becoming an army pilot? I doubt the NDA has a course. Or do they induct air force helo pilots?
Well all this depends on MOD. The idea is placed on table of MOD. But it will definitely improve the operational capability of IA. I also like the concept of turboprops in places where the opponent is not too strong like terrorists, pirates and naxals.
 
The Army seeks volunteers from its officer branch who had a Science stream then there is a selection process.

I dont think there is a particular branch of Army with most pilots as i have myself seen many Infantry officers as pilots.

But due to the lack of promotion oppurtunites in the Army Aviation the officers usually retire or return to their orignal branch with which they started their career.

Correct me if i am wrong but i dont think there is a General rank for the Army Aviation...as there is DG Artillery and DG Infantry and so on.
 
The Army seeks volunteers from its officer branch who had a Science stream then there is a selection process.

I dont think there is a particular branch of Army with most pilots as i have myself seen many Infantry officers as pilots.

But due to the lack of promotion oppurtunites in the Army Aviation the officers usually retire or return to their orignal branch with which they started their career.

Correct me if i am wrong but i dont think there is a General rank for the Army Aviation...as there is DG Artillery and DG Infantry and so on.

There is'nt, for the simple reason that Army Aviation is nominally a part of the Artillery Corps. Artillery Officers stream in to Army Aviation. This will change when Army Aviation gets the status of a corps. which is likely to happen given the big expansion plans.
 
IA will be acquiring many helicopter from HAL like Dhruv, HUL, LCH, IMRH. I have a question, are their network centric features, Identification Friend or Foe, night vision etc on the Dhruv and other upcoming HAL choppers like that of their western counterparts. Also do we have these kind of features in Mi17 V5 which IA is inducting and for which a follow-on order of 59 choppers will be placed ?/
 
Wow I always thought Indian army aviation was a joke so far with their alouettes and lamas. Nice to see them modernizing so rapidly. Although with the number of pilots they are training per year, I think they're gonna face a pilot shortfall in the near future.

If anyone can answer this, what is the procedure for becoming an army pilot? I doubt the NDA has a course. Or do they induct air force helo pilots?

first of all, these aircrafts have served indian armed forces in siachen glaciars for over 2 decades now so, certainly it no joke. have u flown at that altitude. it takes tremendous skill as weather is tricky and u have hills all around. its a test of navigation skill and airmanship of pilots.

army cadets in NDA are not taught flying. its restricted to airforce cadets only. army officers apply for army aviation usually after some years of service.
 
first of all, these aircrafts have served indian armed forces in siachen glaciars for over 2 decades now so, certainly it no joke. have u flown at that altitude. it takes tremendous skill as weather is tricky and u have hills all around. its a test of navigation skill and airmanship of pilots.

army cadets in NDA are not taught flying. its restricted to airforce cadets only. army officers apply for army aviation usually after some years of service.

I know its not a joke. But btw ask yourself, do you know the payload of a cheetah when it goes up into Siachen? It may be difficult but the payload is really sad. So now with dhruvs (who have also got siachen clearance) you can perform multiple cheetah flights in one go.
 
Yeah army is very happy with Dhruv's performance in mountains and thats why they have placed the order for 159 Dhruv (5 of which they received in aero india).
 

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