ARE WE PAKISTANI PATRIOTS OR DO WE BELONG TO VARIOUS POLITICAL PARTIES

[jaunty]

So is everyone. Siblings often quarrel among themselves, but one threat against the family, and they're a single cohesive unit.

That means the question itself is flawed. If that is true then there is no problem.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Yes, but that's a gamble on him, isn't it? What if he doesn't get rid of the corrupt ones? Or brings them all back? Because he feels he needs them to keep the country from destabilizing or he's too weak to handle it all alone. Then we're back to square one. IK will be just another lord playing at the throne.

I don't have the time right now, but I'll try to take some time out to detail out the risks v/s rewards of Azadi March. Or if someone else more knowledgeable can volunteer, that'll be real cool! That way, we'll have objective options on the table to assess.

The point is that we have tried all the other Players.

Maybe we can give Imran Khan Final chance but keep him on a short lease.

If he fails to deliver " Good Governance " he will be out and that will be the end of DEMOCRATIC EXPERIENCE in Pakistan.

At that point, I will be convinced that Politicians have failed Pakistan miserably and we may have to consider other options. I may even opt for one and only institution in Pakistan that delivers GOOD GOVERNANCE.

 

[pak-marine]

Good point - we just have different visions and ideas on how to secure Pakistan's future. But instead of childishly bickering over it - we need to collaborate and help each other understand their point of views instead of nonsensicle my-guy-is-better-than-your-guy rants

PTI guys are adamant on pursing this dangerous path at the risk of seriously jeopardizing our future. Though it must be admitted the rewards of success here are wonderful. Non-PTI guys find the risks too great and timing too wrong for a move like this.

To keep thing civilized We have to learn how do agree on disagreements and how to move on.



I am off the view as Punjab and Islamabad are the only parts who haven't seen very serious blows and are the remaining safe places rest every one is paying hugely in blood and property loss any silly actions might cost us huge. As for Pakistanis all they care about is roti kapra and makan whoever achieves this I guess they will be happy

 

[Jazzbot]

You're right in that PMLN has failed, but the IK alternative can have devastating results. A corrupt but competent leader is a far far better alternative than a weak one. Iraq is an excellent example of this. Iraq under Saddam was a corrupt and unfair. Iraq without Saddam has gone down the shitter.

How can you say that IK as alternative can have devastating results? Do you have anything to support your claim? IK has never kept any portfolio before, neven been a Minister so far. So how could you say this?

Yes, current IK's statements are serious. But IK doesn't hold any ministry or public portfolio, he's just a opposition party head, not even opposition leader in NA. So he has the liberty to give such statements as of now. Have you seen IK at work apart from political stuff? He works like a pro in everything he got involved into, that already proves how reliable he can be after taking responsibilities.

Oh and one last thing, before you go there. Compare IK's statements with statements of few Ministers (Rana Sanaullah, Saad Rafique, Abid Sher, Pervez Rashid, Faisal Raza Abidi from past govt etc). Those idiots are / were ministers when they issued more devastating statements that harmed the country. Our current finance minister in past even went on to lie with World Bank and IMF and got penalized for that.. lol

IK had the opportunity to prove himself in KPK and he's failed. He's been ignoring the concerns of KPK and those of the IDPs and focusing on the bygone elections alone. For Zarb-e-Azb to be successful, we desperately need a stable country. For Pakistan to be success, we desperately need a successful Zarb-e-Azb. This is the worst time to bring down the government.

That lack of foresight alone should disqualify IK as a competent leader.

@Leader @Jazzbot @Jungibaaz @Aeronaut @Aether @WishLivePak @Armstrong @Peaceful Civilian @Oscar

PTI's performance in KP and work for IDPs are Debatable. But stop giving sweeping statement that they have failed in both. No indicator, survey or public opinion ever said that PTI completely failed in KPK like ANP or PPP's previous govts. Everything has improved under PTI's one year rule in KP.


Talking about foresight, compare IK with what we currently have ,for example this:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10151231059029392

I see, IK a million times better that this idiot we have at top right now.

 

[Echo_419]

The point is that we have tried all the other Players.

Maybe we can give Imran Khan Final chance but keep him on a short lease.

If he fails to deliver " Good Governance " he will be out an that will be the end of DEMOCRATIC EXPERIENCE in Pakistan.

At that point, I will be convinced that Politicians have failed Pakistan miserably and we may have to consider other options.

Nawaz should be allowed to complete his term & you can't handle entire govts to parties like that,let the democratic process complete

 

[Kompromat]

Political parties are just tools to carry out our national objectives.

Pakistanis are free to vote for whatever political party they deem fit for that objective to be achieved. All of us have the same objective, which is the prosperity of our state. Political parties come and go, my first and only loyalty is to the country not the politicians - be it any for that matter.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Nawaz should be allowed to complete his term & you can't handle entire govts to parties like that,let the democratic process complete

Thank you for your UNSOLICITED ADVICE.

This Question is primarily addressed to Pakistani People. Thank you.

 

[Echo_419]

Thank you for your UNSOLICITED ADVICE.

This Question is primarily addressed to Pakistani People. Thank you.

Forgive me,my interest in politics got the better out of me

 

[Kompromat]

Dont you have a nationalist party like BJP in Pakistan. BJP in India is less corrupt and they don't succumb to foriegn intervention

Pakistan is a country of strange paradox.

• Most Pakistanis are conservative Muslims.
  
  Yet
  
  
• No religious party has EVER been voted into office
• The highest % of votes casted to a grand alliance of religious parties was 6% of the total vote bank.
• Most Pakistanis either vote center left or left.
  

 

[Multani]

I am a Pakistani Patriot and I don't give two hoots for any Political Party.

My question to my Pakistani Compatriots is simply this.

Are we going to stand for Pakistan or are we going to think like members of PMLN, PTI, PPP, OR OTHERS ?

One thing should be evident to any Pakistani.

PMLN IS A FAILED PARTY THAT HAS NOT DELIVERED " GOOD GOVERNANCE ".

Pakistani People deserve good GOVERNANCE.

PMLN HAS TO GO.

This Govt. had three chances to deliver good governance and failed each time.

LET US THROW THESE BUMS OUT.

I WANT MY PAKISTAN FREE OF THESE LOOTERS WHO LIKE TO MAKE BIG PROJECTS AND GIVE CONTRACTS TO FOREIGN CORRUPT COMPANIES TO GET " KICKBACKS ".

I am a Pakistani patriot, and I agree with you Sir.

These parties also failed to stop feudalism in the country [ the biggest culprit of all depravity ] , communalism including ethnic or religious, separatism, corruption, and violation of law and order.

Every community in Pakistan, Muslim groups or non-Muslim groups have suffered.

 

[Multani]

Pakistan is a country of strange paradox.

• Most Pakistanis are conservative Muslims.
  
  Yet
  
  
• No religious party has EVER been voted into office
• The highest % of votes casted to a grand alliance of religious parties was 6% of the total vote bank.
• Most Pakistanis either vote center left or left.

I believe most people in Pakistan wish to keep religion a private matter with trustworthy religious scholars in the local regions, for example Khairpur in Sindh, Derajat, Hazara, Mandi Bahauddin, Jhelum, Bahawalpur, Oakara, Mardan, Kohat, Kotli, Kashmir, Baltistan, Thatta, Gwadar, Nasirabad, Chakwal, Faisalabad etc.

Very few will vote for those religious parties because they are perceived as corrupt, backward, disconnected with reality, non-trustworthy and halwa munchers

BJP is not religious party. Nationalism is completely different from religious politics.
Center Left of Pakistan will
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[SQ8]

Various political parties, sects , colours, ethnicities. Coke , Pepsi.. we need an excuse to hate each other.

 

[Multani]

So is everyone. Siblings often quarrel among themselves, but one threat against the family, and they're a single cohesive unit.

That analogy is not right. And makes little sense except for lack of family values, therefore a contradiction. Because, siblings quarrelling amongst each other often is a disaster for family. Done once due to mistakes, the record must be set right by the siblings with immediate repentance to never repeat.

Brother should never quarrel another brother, or should remove the antagonism immediately as soon it arises.

 

[SBD-3]

I am a Pakistani Patriot and I don't give two hoots for any Political Party.

My question to my Pakistani Compatriots is simply this.

Are we going to stand for Pakistan or are we going to think like members of PMLN, PTI, PPP, OR OTHERS ?

One thing should be evident to any Pakistani.

PMLN IS A FAILED PARTY THAT HAS NOT DELIVERED " GOOD GOVERNANCE ".

Pakistani People deserve good GOVERNANCE.

PMLN HAS TO GO.

This Govt. had three chances to deliver good governance and failed each time.

LET US THROW THESE BUMS OUT.

I WANT MY PAKISTAN FREE OF THESE LOOTERS WHO LIKE TO MAKE BIG PROJECTS AND GIVE CONTRACTS TO FOREIGN CORRUPT COMPANIES TO GET " KICKBACKS ".

Thats like east,west, south and north all mixed up.
1-For other Pakistanis to be patriot, your certificate is not required.
2-Standing up for PTI/PAT/PML-N/PPP/MQM doesn't mean standing up for Pakistan. System doesn't depend upon components,
3-If PML-N and PPP have failed then what PTI has been able to achieve in its tenure so far?
4-Sitting in US makes saying such stuff very easy.

 

[Pakistani E]

I think what I, and people who are not in the Pro PTI camp are concerned about is the fallout of any destabilisation in the capital and the largest province of Punjab. That does not mean we are rooting for the Ganja gang, on the contrary, we understand that Nawaz Shariff is incompetent and corrupt. But do we really want to be bringing down governments at this critical juncture when the army is engaged in a decisive battle against anti Pakistani elements.

Do you understand what it takes to actually overthrow a government? It is not as simple as forcing Nawaz Sharif to resign, what if he also calls out his supporters. What then? We will have a million rival protest rallies clashing all over the country, while we are fighting a war.

The best thing to do right now is to get behind the army, do your best in KPK, gather evidence against rigging etc. When the army declares it has established the writ of the state in Waziristan then dharna your heart out. I hate the Ganja Gang as any other sane person, but I cannot compromise Pakistan for politics, elections or governments.