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Apple weighs 15%-30% capacity shift out of China amid trade war

Why dont u ask CN bosses first before saying "Those jobs are gonna be automated" ?? The truth is, they just simply closed factories in CN, fired million workers and fled to VN to avoid 25% tariff. Rich Cnese r smart when poor, usless Cnese peasants like u is just too dumb and love lying :lol:

US dont buy 5G tools from CN, but Errickson and other 5G companies manufacturing their 5G tool in CN. And now, Erricsson, Nokia must close its 5G factories in CN and fire all Cnese workers to avoid US's sanction.
Because it is mathematically impossible to close down all the factories, some factories which a labor intensive might relocate, but the components would still be made in China. Vietnam will be another assembly base to divert the tariffs, the factories are still owned by us, you think Taiwanese are not Chinese? US trade is around 15% of our trade and it's less than 10% of our whole economy today. So how can all factories close down? Common sense? Something I find you lacking.

Huawei had been banned from selling telecom gear since 5 years back genius. The biggest impact is on cellphones since the latest chips are used there and also where Huawei is most dependent on imports, for telecom gears, we are almost independent. What will happen is some companies will create a back up supply chain in SEA but they cannot afford to relocate the whole supply chain, it's just impossible, you need at least 10 years to do that. 1-2 years to build a factory, at least 3-5 years to make it operate efficiently. And you have to understand the scale of specialist manpower required. Only China can offer this, why do you think we are the king in manufacturing.
 
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Because it is mathematically impossible to close down all the factories, some factories which a labor intensive might relocate, but the components would still be made in China. Vietnam will be another assembly base to divert the tariffs, the factories are still owned by us, you think Taiwanese are not Chinese? US trade is around 15% of our trade and it's less than 10% of our whole economy today. So how can all factories close down? Common sense? Something I find you lacking.

Huawei had been banned from selling telecom gear since 5 years back genius. The biggest impact is on cellphones since the latest chips are used there and also where Huawei is most dependent on imports, for telecom gears, we are almost independent. What will happen is some companies will create a back up supply chain in SEA but they cannot afford to relocate the whole supply chain, it's just impossible, you need at least 10 years to do that. 1-2 years to build a factory, at least 3-5 years to make it operate efficiently. And you have to understand the scale of specialist manpower required. Only China can offer this, why do you think we are the king in manufacturing.
Of course not all shoes factories r closed in CN cos the CN local govt' threaten to make trouble for those CN bosses if they fire all Cnese workers. But for those workers who already lost jobs due to factories close, they only earn 1-3usd/day from part time jobs, they dont get 400 usd/month as u bark here.

VN buy components from CN, but it cant save CN shoes workers losing jobs. TWese or Cnese own the factories in VN also cant help Cn workers cos only VN workers working in those factories.

US simply dont give a dam care how long Errisson and Nokia need to make 5G operate efficiently. Trump just simply slap sanction if their factories r still in CN. So, they have no choice but fire CN workers and close the factories right after that law passed. 4G is still ok for US in at least 20 years. Got it dude ??
 
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China’s migrant workers worried by dwindling jobs, low pay, as US trade war impact runs deep
  • China has some 280 million migrant workers, but factories are downsizing, cutting overtime and even relocating overseas
  • Mood of factory workers underlines outlook from purchasing managers' index and export order as Trump administration tariffs hit orHe Huifeng

Published: 7:00pm, 21 Jun, 2019




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The well-being of workers like Li is a cause for concern for China’s decision makers and the risks of mass unemployment are at the top of the agenda for Beijing as there are growing signs of job market stress in places and sectors affected by the trade war with the United States. China’s official jobless data paints a stable employment picture, although it generally does not include migrant workers.

Fewer jobs and lower pay within the manufacturing sector could hurt China’s long-term plan of relying on domestic consumption to boost the economy, as stagnated income levels for the country’s 280 million migrant workers could limit their spending power.

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Feelings on the ground indicate there are fewer jobs of any kind in export industries, a worrying trend for the central government, which fears social instability if unemployment rises. In response, Beijing has implemented special programmes to keep unemployed migrant workers in the coastal provinces where they were previously employed and not return to interior provinces where there are even fewer jobs.


China's purchasing managers' index
shows that factory managers have been pessimistic about
export orders all year,
and this sentiment has also shown in the country's slowing rate of export growth. However, levels of actual income and workers' general mood about working conditions provide another vital indicator for health of the regional and national economy.

And given the worsening outlook for factory jobs, workers are increasingly seeking employment with large employers with some promise of job stability, in stark contrast to the export boom years when workers preferred flexible, short-term jobs that allowed them chase the best salaries and working conditions.

By 3pm, Li has joined dozens of other young migrant workers lining up for interviews. The trade war has led their salaries to stagnate or even decline as factories have cut back on overtime or even suspended production on certain days due to a drop in orders.

“The Americans are very evil and want to kill our exports and economy! Our factories’ orders are declining, and so is our overtime pay,” said one worker, who did not want to be identified but who has worked in Dongguan factories for 10 years.

“For example, a shoe factory worker in his 30s or 40s could earn about 3,600 yuan (US$524) [per month] last year, but now only about 3,300 yuan (US$480). An electronics factory worker in his 20s could earn up to 6,000 or 7,000 yuan, but now only about 4,000 yuan because of big overtime pay cuts.”


The Americans are very evil and want to kill our exports and economy! Our factories’ orders are declining, and so is our overtime pay

He has joined Li in the hunt for a new job having left his position as a polisher at Lens Tech, a manufacturer of glass used for smartphone covers for companies including Huawei. In the middle of last year, he earned up to 7,000 yuan per month, including 2,130 yuan of basic salary, as well as up to 3,800 yuan overtime pay for working 159 hours a month.

“But soon after, the factory no longer let workers work much overtime and I didn’t have much money. So I quit the job,” he said. “I thought I could quickly find another job with the same pay, but a few months passed and things have changed.”

Many workers only want to work for foreign companies, as it usually means a stable monthly salary of between 4,000 yuan (US$582) and 5,000 yuan and good working conditions, according to one female worker in her early 20s, whom other jobseekers called Ah Juan.

“Last year, we said a good job was at least 5,000 or even 6,000 yuan per month, though it required heavy overtime work. But now, few production line workers can get a job for 5,000 yuan, let alone 5,500 yuan or above” she said.

“Working for a large foreign factory means that if one day you are laid off, you will get good compensation.”

Factories are increasingly relying on temporary workers or dispatched labour, who come from labour agencies and do not have a contract with the factory itself, according to another worker.

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Shops and businesses around Yue Yuan’s factory in Dongguan are suffering.
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This allows greater flexibility for factories, with overseas buyers increasingly placing only short-term orders because of concerns about soaring labour and raw material costs, according Peng Peng, vice-president of Guangdong’s South non-governmental think tank.

“The US-China trade war has spurred the trend of declining export orders [for production in China] and companies are searching for lower-cost replacement production outside of China.” Peng said.

Activity at the
Canton Fair,
China’s largest trade fair, was disappointing this year, reflecting the overall health of the China’s economy and foreign trade conditions amid the trade war. At the spring session in April, export orders booked totalled 199.52 billion yuan (US$29 billion), down 1.1 per cent from the same period last year and down 0.9 per cent from the previous fair in November.
“But according to the official data, the local economy performed well early this year … we need to wait and see further data for the middle of this year.” Peng added.

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Yue Yuan’s factory in Dongguan is largely deserted.
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Official data shows the economy in Guangdong province grew 6.6 per cent in the first quarter of 2019, while growth in Dongguan rose 7 per cent. The valued added output by Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan-invested companies in Dongguan stood at 25.7 billion yuan (US$3.7 billion) in the first quarter, up 0.3 per cent, while the value added output of other foreign enterprises in Dongguan was 13.6 billion yuan (US$2 billion), down 4.1 per cent.

In Gaobu township, Yue Yuan – the world’s largest footwear manufacturer supplying the likes of Nike, Adidas, Reebok, Asics, New Balance and Puma – once employed over 100,000 workers.

But their 1.4 square metre (15 million sq ft) complex in Dongguan that used to be bustling with young migrant workers is now largely deserted, as well as a large number of shops nearby, after Yue Yuan cut its workforce to just 10,000 having decided to relocate some production to southeast Asia from 2016.

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Are you sure we make so little?
Ok I see from the positive note there are rooms for improvement :-)


Ok shoes business is dead for you. What’s about plastics, clothing and furniture? Ha ha.
The world chemical giant BASF has just invested 10 billion US dollars in Guangdong, China. The Arab visit to China is also a contracted investment of 10 billion US dollars and Sinopec to produce petrochemical products. In addition, various cities have launched many semiconductor projects this year, including TSMC and other projects.
https://www.basf.com/cn/zh/media/news-releases/global/2019/01/p-19-107.html
http://www.sohu.com/a/297017862_803358

Although the economic growth rate may decline, it will not collapse. You can learn about major investment projects in Wuxi Dongguan and other places this year, including ic, bio-pharmaceuticals, displays, and automobiles.
 
The world chemical giant BASF has just invested 10 billion US dollars in Guangdong, China. The Arab visit to China is also a contracted investment of 10 billion US dollars and Sinopec to produce petrochemical products. In addition, various cities have launched many semiconductor projects this year, including TSMC and other projects.
https://www.basf.com/cn/zh/media/news-releases/global/2019/01/p-19-107.html
http://www.sohu.com/a/297017862_803358

Although the economic growth rate may decline, it will not collapse. You can learn about major investment projects in Wuxi Dongguan and other places this year, including ic, bio-pharmaceuticals, displays, and automobiles.
Ur shoes sector in Dongguan is almost dead ( read my post above), and I Google abt BASF, their main customers r Cnese and their bussiness in CN is bad due to less Cnese buy their products due to trade war.

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BUSINESS & FINANCIAL NEWS | February 26, 2019
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BASF posts slight increase in 2018 sales and decline in earnings due mainly to lower contributions from Chemicals

  • Sales of €62.7 billion (plus 2%)
  • EBIT before special items of €6.4 billion (minus 17%)
  • Cash flows from operating activities of €7.9 billion (minus 10%)
    Free cash flow €4 billion
  • Proposed dividend of €3.20 for 2018 financial year (2017: €3.10)
Outlook 2019:

  • Slight sales growth expected, mainly from higher sales volumes and portfolio effects
  • EBIT before special items slightly above 2018 level anticipated

BASF generated sales of €62.7 billion last year. This represents an increase of 2% compared with the previous year. Income from operations (EBIT) before special items declined to €6.4 billion, compared with €7.6 billion in the previous year. This was mainly attributable to the Chemicals segment, which accounted for around two-thirds of the total decline in earnings. Isocyanate margins fell sharply in the second half of the year. Furthermore, cracker margins were lower than expected in all regions in 2018.

Overall, 2018 was a year characterized by difficult global economic and geopolitical developments and trade conflicts. In the second half of the year, BASF felt an economic slowdown in key markets, especially in the automotive industry, BASF’s largest customer sector. In particular, demand from Chinese customers declined significantly. The trade conflict between the United States and China contributed to this. Around the world, uncertainties grew. Many market participants therefore acted very cautiously.

https://www.basf.com/global/en/media/news-releases/2019/02/p-19-141.html
 
Ur shoes sector in Dongguan is almost dead ( read my post above), and I Google abt BASF, their main customers r Cnese and their bussiness in CN is bad due to less Cnese buy their products due to trade war.

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BUSINESS & FINANCIAL NEWS | February 26, 2019
Media
BASF posts slight increase in 2018 sales and decline in earnings due mainly to lower contributions from Chemicals

  • Sales of €62.7 billion (plus 2%)
  • EBIT before special items of €6.4 billion (minus 17%)
  • Cash flows from operating activities of €7.9 billion (minus 10%)
    Free cash flow €4 billion
  • Proposed dividend of €3.20 for 2018 financial year (2017: €3.10)
Outlook 2019:

  • Slight sales growth expected, mainly from higher sales volumes and portfolio effects
  • EBIT before special items slightly above 2018 level anticipated

BASF generated sales of €62.7 billion last year. This represents an increase of 2% compared with the previous year. Income from operations (EBIT) before special items declined to €6.4 billion, compared with €7.6 billion in the previous year. This was mainly attributable to the Chemicals segment, which accounted for around two-thirds of the total decline in earnings. Isocyanate margins fell sharply in the second half of the year. Furthermore, cracker margins were lower than expected in all regions in 2018.

Overall, 2018 was a year characterized by difficult global economic and geopolitical developments and trade conflicts. In the second half of the year, BASF felt an economic slowdown in key markets, especially in the automotive industry, BASF’s largest customer sector. In particular, demand from Chinese customers declined significantly. The trade conflict between the United States and China contributed to this. Around the world, uncertainties grew. Many market participants therefore acted very cautiously.

https://www.basf.com/global/en/media/news-releases/2019/02/p-19-141.html
China's footwear industry has indeed declined compared to the past, but China's market share in other fields is expanding, such as construction machinery, automobiles, and electronic products, and the upstream of the apparel, footwear, and textile industry chains and brands in China will also strengthen in the future.
 

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