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Poor treatment of workers in Chinese factories which make Apple products has been discovered by an undercover BBC Panorama investigation.

Filming on an iPhone 6 production line showed Apple's promises to protect workers were routinely broken.

It found standards on workers' hours, ID cards, dormitories, work meetings and juvenile workers were being breached at the Pegatron factories.

Apple said it strongly disagreed with the programme's conclusions.

Exhausted workers were filmed falling asleep on their 12-hour shifts at the Pegatron factories on the outskirts of Shanghai.

One undercover reporter, working in a factory making parts for Apple computers, had to work 18 days in a row despite repeated requests for a day off.

Another reporter, whose longest shift was 16 hours, said: "Every time I got back to the dormitories, I wouldn't want to move.

"Even if I was hungry I wouldn't want to get up to eat. I just wanted to lie down and rest. I was unable to sleep at night because of the stress."

'Continuous improvement'
Apple declined to be interviewed for the programme, but said in a statement: "We are aware of no other company doing as much as Apple to ensure fair and safe working conditions.

"We work with suppliers to address shortfalls, and we see continuous and significant improvement, but we know our work is never done."

Apple said it was a very common practice for workers to nap during breaks, but it would investigate any evidence they were falling asleep while working.

It said it monitored the working hours of more than a million workers and that staff at Pegatron were averaging 55 hours a week.

The poor conditions in Chinese factories were highlighted in 2010 when 14 workers killed themselves at Apple's biggest supplier, Foxconn.

Following the suicides, Apple published a set of standards spelling out how factory workers should be treated. It also moved some of its production work to Pegatron's factories on the outskirts of Shanghai.

But Panorama's undercover reporters found that these standards were routinely breached on the factory floor.

Overtime is supposed to be voluntary, but none of the reporters were offered any choice. In addition to the excessive hours, one reporter had to attend unpaid meetings before and after work. Another reporter was housed in a dormitory where 12 workers shared a cramped room.

Apple says the dormitory overcrowding has now been resolved and that it requires suppliers to retroactively pay workers if it finds they haven't been paid for work meetings.

Pegatron said it was carefully investigating Panorama's claims and would take all necessary action if any deficiencies were found at their facilities.

"Worker safety and well-being are our top priorities. We set very high standards, conduct rigorous training for managers and workers, and have external auditors regularly visiting our facilities to find areas for improvement," a statement said.

Dangerous conditions
Panorama also travelled further down Apple's supply chain to the Indonesian island of Bangka.

Apple says it is dedicated to the ethical sourcing of minerals, but the programme found evidence that tin from illegal mines could be entering its supply chain.

It found children digging tin ore out by hand in extremely dangerous conditions - miners can be buried alive when the walls of sand or mud collapse.

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Rainto, 12, said he was worried about landslides
Twelve-year-old Rianto was working with his dad at the bottom of a 70-foot cliff of sand. He said: "I worry about landslides. The earth slipping from up there to the bottom. It could happen."

Panorama tracked down a gang who collect tin from the area where Rianto was working. One of them said they sold tin to a smelter on Apple's list of suppliers.

Johan Murod, who runs one of the smelters on Apple's list, said 70% of the tin that is exported comes from the small-scale mines.

"At the smelter there's everything from both large and small scale mines. It's all mixed. There's no way to know what is legal and what is illegal."

Apple says it is a complex situation on Bangka with tens of thousands of miners selling tin through many middle men.

"The simplest course of action would be for Apple to unilaterally refuse any tin from Indonesian mines. That would be easy for us to do and would certainly shield us from criticism.

"But that would also be the lazy and cowardly path, since it would do nothing to improve the situation. We have chosen to stay engaged and attempt to drive changes on the ground."
BBC News - Apple 'failing to protect Chinese factory workers'

Shareholders are getting rich and the consumer cheap as possible phone while they wage slave. :big_boss:
 
This is sad... after all one might expect that Apple workers work in better conditions considering their hefty price tags on apple products and their high quality.

In the end, the local governments need to introduce laws to protect their citizens as well, while we, the consumers should challenge Apple to improve their CSR.
 
I'll qoute something on reddit.

"I work in the USA, and have worked 30+ days in a row, with many 12-18 hour days. Having poor work hours in not limited to China. The difference is that factory is probably a crappy, unsafe place."
 
I'll qoute something on reddit.

"I work in the USA, and have worked 30+ days in a row, with many 12-18 hour days. Having poor work hours in not limited to China. The difference is that factory is probably a crappy, unsafe place."
In the US you get decent salary. You have human rights and insurance if something happens. In China they work insane hours (18 hours) for couple of dollars which is not even enough to have a decent living.
 
This is sad... after all one might expect that Apple workers work in better conditions considering their hefty price tags on apple products and their high quality.

In the end, the local governments need to introduce laws to protect their citizens as well, while we, the consumers should challenge Apple to improve their CSR.

You think only Apple Inc. contribute to the injustice? What makes you think that other technology companies don't?

With brand comes attention.

By the way, this was known long before the report.
 
You think only Apple Inc. contribute to the injustice? What makes you think that other technology companies don't?

With brand comes attention.

By the way, this was known long before the report.
I know that everybody does it... because we want the lowest prices.

But considering Apples prices, I thought that their workers in China get a little bit more than the employees of Apples rivals.
 
What good is human rights when you can't stroll freely at night because of the high crime rate and gun violence. What good is insurance when you can get USD 55,000 for an appendicitis.
$55,000 bill for appendicitis operation posted on Reddit goes viral | Daily Mail Online
I'll qoute something on reddit.

"I work in the USA, and have worked 30+ days in a row, with many 12-18 hour days. Having poor work hours in not limited to China. The difference is that factory is probably a crappy, unsafe place."

Please try to avoid comparing our standards with others. We have laws that can be verified as opposed "claims made" by anonymous reddit members.

Secondly, there is difference between a criminal act i.e. some company breaking labor laws. Crime happens everywhere.
vs.
State sanctioned weak labor laws that permit such a working environment, which is China.

Apple and all U.S companies should be accountable for making sure minimum standards of human rights/ worker rights are maintained. However, if you don't have a country that cares about its own labor force - it becomes difficult to guarantee those rights to their workers. We should continue to stride to educate and force these private institutions we hire, to provide their workers a safe environment and fair wages

You think only Apple Inc. contribute to the injustice? What makes you think that other technology companies don't?

With brand comes attention.

By the way, this was known long before the report.


The injustice first is with the countries that allow such an environment. When thousands of workers in Bangladesh's garment district were crushed by the buildings collapsing. It was not the fault of " foreign companies" for doing business with them. It was the lack of laws and enforcement of said laws by the Government of Bangladesh or local municipalities.

This knee jerk reaction to lay the fault always on America or some outside hand, only serves to keep the status quo in place.
 
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Please try to avoid comparing our standards with others. We have laws that can be verified as opposed "claims made" by anonymous reddit members.

Such are the joys of the internet. Anyone with a connection can make a claim and gain the sympathy of those they will never meet. Should someone in the circumstance of the Reddit member actually be in such a situation, "I work in the USA, and have worked 30+ days in a row, with many 12-18 hour days. Having poor work hours in not limited to China. The difference is that factory is probably a crappy, unsafe place," posting on Reddit should be their last recourse, with their first being to contact their company's legal department, ER in this instance, or the state labor office. As you rightly pointed out, there are labor laws in the US which are stringently enforced and will root out erroneous claims, as I suspect the Reddit member is making. Making claims that are unsubstantiated is also a criminal act, in this case fraud.

We should offer basic human, and even go beyond basic rights for workers of US companies abroad, even if they are paid in accordance to local wage scales and not US ones. It pains me to read instances of abuses by US companies, but when their own nations, local officials or bosses don't care, and the onus should be on them first, it's hard for us to make the necessary changes to rectify these issues. Apple can do a lot to promote changes, but if the workers at the individual plants don't implement any of the changes suggested or mandated by Apple, is there much more the company can do? Still, that doesn't mean we have to wait for others to make the first move, nor that a bit of global publicity can't help jump-start the drive for a solution.

Also, I haven't done this yet and it's a bit delayed since you and I haven't crossed paths yet on PDF, but welcome to the Mad Haus! Always nice to have another credible and experienced voice on the forum, and an American to boot! From your username it's easy for me to make a guess at your background, but I'll offer my-own as my name is less descriptive. As my title would suggest, I'm a military professional... well ex-military, and more specifically ex-USN. I worked at SPAWAR as an EMSEC technician, helping to develop and secure comms gear for the US Navy, though I rarely go beyond a basic outline for obvious legal and personal reason.
 
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I think is plausible to work 12-18 hours unless it is illegal to have an extra part time job.

But in this case it wouldn't be a violation of US Federal or state labor laws. Working overtime without compensation at a single job is a violation, assuming they were uncompensated, but working multiple jobs, 8 hours at one 8 hours at an other, maybe several hours at a third would not be a violation of US labor laws, that's a choice the individual made on their own and does not violate US Federal or state laws. The claim provided no context and thus we can't be anything but speculative about it.

Having a part-time job and not liking it is not illegal, it's a personal choice that one can complain about, but it violates no laws. Of course the Reddit member didn't actually claim they were filing a grievance, so we shouldn't read too much into the case.

Not liking your job or working too many hours for your liking isn't solely the purview of China, it happens here too and I find myself not liking my job at times as well. The Reddit member isn't wrong on that respect. I'm just skeptical about their claim of work hours and days... but if they work on the weekend that will help to rectify some of my speculation.
 
Such are the joys of the internet. Anyone with a connection can make a claim and gain the sympathy of those they will never meet. Should someone in the circumstance of the Reddit member actually be in such a situation, "I work in the USA, and have worked 30+ days in a row, with many 12-18 hour days. Having poor work hours in not limited to China. The difference is that factory is probably a crappy, unsafe place," posting on Reddit should be their last recourse, with their first being to contact their company's legal department, ER in this instance, or the state labor office. As you rightly pointed out, there are labor laws in the US which are stringently enforced and will root out erroneous claims, as I suspect the Reddit member is making. Making claims that are unsubstantiated is also a criminal act, in this case fraud.

We should offer basic human, and even go beyond basic rights for workers of US companies abroad, even if they are paid in accordance to local wage scales and not US ones. It pains me to read instances of abuses by US companies, but when their own nations, local officials or bosses don't care, and the onus should be on them first, it's hard for us to make the necessary changes to rectify these issues. Apple can do a lot to promote changes, but if the workers at the individual plants don't implement any of the changes suggested or mandated by Apple, is there much more the company can do? Still, that doesn't mean we have to wait for others to make the first move, nor that a bit of global publicity can't help jump-start the drive for a solution.

Also, I haven't done this yet and it's a bit delayed since you and I haven't crossed paths yet on PDF, but welcome to the Mad Haus! Always nice to have another credible and experienced voice on the forum, and an American to boot! From your username its easy for me to make a guess at your background, but I'll offer my-own as my name is less descriptive. As my title would suggest, I'm a military professional... well ex-military, and more specifically ex-USN. I worked at SPAWAR as an EMSEC technician, helping to develop and secure comms gear for the US Navy, though I rarely go beyond a basic outline for obvious legal and personal reason.

Hey Brother, thank you for your service to our country and it is great to 'meet' you too. I've have enjoyed reading your very many positive contributions here. You represent us well and do the country proud.
 
But in this case it wouldn't be a violation of US Federal or state labor laws. Working overtime without compensation at a single job is a violation, assuming they were uncompensated, but working multiple jobs, 8 hours at one 8 hours at an other, maybe several hours at a third would not be a violation of US labor laws, that's a choice the individual made on their own and does not violate US Federal or state laws. The claim provided no context and thus we can't be anything but speculative about it.

Having a part-time job and not liking it is not illegal, it's a personal choice that one can complain about, but it violates no laws. Of course the Reddit member didn't actually claim they were filing a grievance, so we shouldn't read too much into the case.

Not liking your job or working too many hours for your liking isn't solely the purview of China, it happens here too and I find myself not liking my job at times as well. The Reddit member isn't wrong on that respect. I'm just skeptical about their claim of work hours and days... but if they work on the weekend that will help to rectify some of my speculation.
If that is the case, i don't see anything wrong with working 16 hours on a same job if they are compensated. Even i know a few guys works that hard, and its not like they are force to. Overtime money is good. Thanks for clarifying.

Foxconn in China is huge. Its a city by itself. Even has its own fire department.

Apple allows inside look into Foxconn iPad factory
 
Surely this is an issue relating to China not protecting their workers as opposed to apple "exploitation"
 
I'm wondering why do ppl always point fingers at Apple??
I don’t think Apple is uniquely bad about these issues au contraire it might actually be better than most other smartphone manufacturers. Samsung suppliers have been found to have similar or worse working conditions in their factories. And I don’t even want to think about what it’s like for workers in Xiaomi plants who churn out smartphones with high-end specs that sell for just $120 each.
Its for the Chinese givernment to take notice of such reports and get their citizens a better place to work in. But the USP of chinese goods i.e their cheap price, will be gone for a six.

Such reports make me guilty of holding an apple in my hand as I type this.
 

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