Animated Movie on Karl Marx

[nang2]

Sorry no idea what u're talking about

Labor, working, got it?

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Labor, working, got it?

Not the greed eradication 'via labor' part.

How do u 'eradicate' human nature such as greed?

I repeat:

No idea what ure talking about.

 

[nang2]

Not the greed eradication 'via labor' part.

How do u 'eradicate' human nature such as greed?

I repeat:

No idea what ure talking about.

I don't know how. I just mentioned that communists think they know how, which is labor.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

I don't know how. I just mentioned that communists think they know how, which is labor.

U said it considered greed. You then highlighted that it seeks to 'eradicate' this fundamental aspect of human nature via labor.

This is in disagreement with what I have stated because my position is that Marxist Communism did not took this into account when the tenets of its ideological base were formulated.

You can never 'eradicate' human nature.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Marxist style aka orthodox communism is doomed to failure right fron the very beginning, simply because the fundamental pillars of its ideological core did not take into account a crucial aspect of human nature- and that is human greed.

Human Greed and Selfishness => desire for individual gain of resources => Meritocratic Capitalism

It is human nature to be selfish
It is human nature to be greedy
No one will complain of having too much resources(e.g money)

Marxism is at odds with this aspect of human nature, in that it promotes the idea that you work for everyone else in the community(that's why its called "Communism') and not for yourself(and your family)

Selfishness vs Selflessness.

This is is why State owned enterprises often underperform against private entities.

Communism is doomed to fail as it denies both the negative and positive qualities of the Human. It rejects the inner natural goodness of human (kindness, empathy, charity, loveliness, generosity, heart) and the inner natural badness (greed, selfishness, ego).

By doing so it renders humans to a machine-level, removing individuality, freedom, liberty and sense of self. Kind of like a cloud-computer system sharing one source of resources, distributed dependant on function and profile.

It's unnatural and pathetic.

 

[nang2]

U said it considered greed. You then highlighted that it seeks to 'eradicate' this fundamental aspect of human nature via labor.

This is in disagreement with what I have stated because my position is that Marxist Communism did not took this into account when the tenets of its ideological base were formulated.

You can never 'eradicate' human nature.

You are confused with your own word. You may say Communism did not take the fact that human nature cannot be eradicated into account. That may be true. But what you said is this

did not take into account a crucial aspect of human nature- and that is human greed.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Communism is doomed to fail as it denies both the negative and positive qualities of the Human. It rejects the inner natural goodness of human (kindness, empathy, charity, loveliness, generosity, heart) and the inner natural badness (greed, selfishness, ego).

By doing so it renders humans to a machine-level, removing individuality, freedom, liberty and sense of self. Kind of like a cloud-computer system sharing one source of resources, distributed dependant on function and profile.

It's unnatural and pathetic.

This is correct.

Ultimately, it boils down to selfishness vs selflessness.

All of us will pick the former anytime of the day.

Karl Marx's ideas would have fit his people who were fighting for their lives and Zionism, surrounded by enemies. Collectivism and not Individualism would have been the very fundamental aspect to their survival.

Atually, they were( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz ) adopted and still are today.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

This is correct.

Ultimately, it boils down to selfishness vs selflessness.

All of us will pick the former anytime of the day.

Karl Marx's ideas would have fit his people who were fighting for their lives and Zionism, surrounded by enemies. Collectivism and not Individualism would have been the very fundamental aspect to their survival.

Atually, they were( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz ) adopted and still are today.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

You said:

You may say Communism did not take the fact that human nature cannot be eradicated into account. That may be true. But what you said is this

= u agreed with me

I said:

did not take into account a crucial aspect of human nature- and that is human greed.

I don't understand your duplication of my statement, of which u have agreed yourself.

More like u don't even know what u're talking about yourself, which was already apparent when u first quoted me and gave the prepoterous preposition that Communism seeks to eradicate Human nature via labor, when its ideological aspect simply bypassed this crucial element.

This is why https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Marxism (aka Communism in its purest form) is almost gone and capitalistIc governance has prevailed as the world's current, dominant ideology, including China's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics

China is Communist in name only. Its in the Chinese people's blood to be Capitalist, where the principles of Meritocracy converges and reins supreme.

China = Autocratic capitalism

Retaining the absolute political control of a country via the Politburo, but embracing the vibrant economical control of modern Capitalism via a dominant Private Sector, led by State enterprises.

Thanks.