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Taliban seek image makeover as Afghan peace talks gain momentum

Abdul Qadir Sediqi, Jibran Ahmad
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KABUL/PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - As moves toward peace pick up in Afghanistan, the Taliban are trying to show they have changed since the brutal days of the 1990s when they banned music and girls’ education and carried out public executions in Kabul’s football stadium.


FILE PHOTO: People take selfies with a Taliban in Kabul, Afghanistan June 16, 2018. REUTERS/Mohammad Ismail/File Photo
“If peace comes and the Taliban return, then our return will not be in the same harsh way as it was in 1996,” Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid told Reuters, referring to the year they took over in Kabul before their ouster by U.S.-led troops in 2001.

“We want to assure Afghan nationals that there will be no threat to anyone from our side.”

The comments come as moves toward peace negotiations have intensified, following a series of meetings between U.S. special envoy Zalmay Khalilzad and Taliban representatives over the past three months.


Expectations of a decisive shift have been heightened by reports that more than 5,000 U.S. troops may be withdrawn from Afghanistan, in an abrupt about-turn from the previous U.S. strategy of stepping up military pressure on the insurgents.

“Our opposition is with the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan. Once they are out and a peace deal is reached, then a nationwide amnesty will be announced,” said Mujahid.

“No one, police, army, government employees or anyone, will face revenge behavior from our side.”

Reports of the withdrawal are unconfirmed but they have triggered alarm among many Afghans with bitter memories of the Taliban’s ultra-hardline regime.


“I don’t think their mindset has changed but they have realized that without respecting human rights, they cannot be accepted by the international community,” said Bilal Sediqi, spokesman for the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission.

With Afghanistan likely to remain dependent on foreign aid for years, the Taliban know they cannot return to the past when fighters swept into Kabul after the chaos of the 1990s civil war.

But they insist that as well as the withdrawal of foreign forces, there will be a return to their strict version of Islamic rule and many Afghans doubt their claims to have softened, even while yearning for an end to the war.

In June, Taliban leaders were angry at their fighters swapping selfies with soldiers and government officials and eating ice cream with civilians during a three-day ceasefire. Soon afterwards, they launched complex attacks on strategic provinces to try to oust Afghan forces and used civilians as human shields.



FILE PHOTO: Taliban on a motorbike ride among people in Kabul, Afghanistan June 16, 2018. REUTERS/Mohammad Ismail/File Photo
“TIRED OF WAR”
“I know there is no place for me if the Taliban return in their old style,” said Abdul, a 12-year police veteran currently working in the western province of Farah.

“...I will stand by the government side whatever it decides. But still I have not lost my hope in the future. The Taliban are not the old ones. We see changes among them. They are also tired of war.”

The Taliban, a predominantly ethnic Pashtun movement, strongest in the south and east of the country, now control large stretches of the countryside, where they levy taxes, run courts and control education.

For many conservative rural Afghans, Taliban rule provides welcome stability and the merciless punishments and rigid controls on women’s rights fit well with traditional practices in many areas.

In the Aqtash district of northern Kunduz province, a hotbed of Taliban insurgents, some women said they are allowed to walk freely and do not have to cover their faces in all-enveloping burqas.

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Mujahid said the Taliban were not against women’s education or employment but wanted to maintain cultural and religious codes.

“We are not against women working in government organizations or against their outdoor activities, but we will be against the alien culture clothes worn by women, brought to our country,” Mujahid said.

Omaid Maisam, the deputy spokesman for Afghan Chief Executive officer Abdullah Abdullah, said the government protects human rights and the Taliban must accept the national constitution to shed their hardline image.

“We have seen some signs of changes among them, but they have to show it in their actions that they have really changed,” he said.

Many believe the return on the Taliban would threaten the gains the country has made since 2001. Much work remains to be done to convince women in work or education and skeptical groups of ethnic Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras from northern and central Afghanistan.


“I think that these statements that the Taliban have changed are only excuses that are being used by the Taliban to gain acceptance,” said Malina Hamidi, a teacher at a school in the Chamtal district of Balkh province.

“I am 100 percent confident that once they come back to power, they will be the same Taliban that ruled Afghanistan in the nineties.”

Additional reporting by Abdul Matin Sahak in MAZAR-I SHARIF; Writing by Rupam Jain in Kabul; Editing by Nick Macfie

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If the Taliban can also accept the principles of powersharing and peaceful oversight, then we and the Afghan moderate elected government, can offer them autonomy over a significant portion of Afghanistan, and a legal income stream (that must be shared with the moderate Afghans) from trade-routes and natural resources found in Afghan provinces.

with peaceful oversight i mean a limited foreign military+intel presence which would not engage in first-strikes let alone pre-emptive strikes against the Taliban anymore, but which would be used to keep an eye on Taliban activities and as a measure of backup for the moderate Afghans.

as i have said all along : stay peaceful, and we have no legitimate reason to attack you either.

to the Afghan taliban : you haven't proven your new peaceful good-governing nature yet.
i hope Trump keeps a presence in Afghanistan, or if not the Americans then another NATO force.
i hope you can accept their presence, especially considering we're willing to switch to a pure self-defense and moderates-defense mode. unfortunately i forgot where exactly i read that particular report.
 
Peace won't return until Afghan Taliban have full control over all Afghan territory and no interference from any foreign agencies. Power sharing won't work. Afghan Taliban should be handed over Afghanistan as it was prior to occupation by the foreign aggressors.
 
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Now you guys can see why I was always apologetic about Afghanistan? You guys equated Afganistan to Karzai, Amrullah Saleh, Abdullah Abdulla and Kabul. The fact is Afghanistan is more then that. We helped to kick 'our' guys out of Kabul in 2001 and replace them with pro India, Pakistan haters. Now things are slowly changing. don't forget prior to 2001 Pakistan was one of only three countries that recognized and it. Now it time to slowly take it to status quo ante. And with PM IK I have no doubt we will.

You guys remember people mocking him as 'Taliban Khan'? Well now that is going to be positive attribute. Taliban know IK did not sell them out for few $ billions and stood by them when he said the only way forward is negotiation. Now American after 17 years has come to same conclusion. Taliban also know it was Musharaf that sold them.
 
Now you guys can see why I was always apologetic about Afghanistan? You guys equated Afganistan to Karzai, Amrullah Saleh, Abdullah Abdulla and Kabul. The fact is Afghanistan is more then that. We helped to kick 'our' guys out of Kabul in 2001 and replace them with pro India, Pakistan haters. Now things are slowly changing. don't forget prior to 2001 Pakistan was one of only three countries that recognized and it. Now it time to slowly take it to status quo ante. And with PM IK I have no doubt we will.
Sir, PDF is teaming with mindless and extra-emotional teenagers (mentally teenagers, physically they can be old babas). They did not realise that USA deliberately replaced Kabul govt with anti-Pakistan elements which CIA had good knowledge of and our people started abusing all the Afghans. I would rather salute Afghan Talibans that despite our betrayal under pressure, they did not turn against Pakistan and they did not even said a single angry statement against Pakistan. That is what our establishment also realised and this is the reason why Afghan refugees have not been pushed out of Pakistan en masse. But the good thing that happened is the fencing of the border and installation of proper border controls so no one can abuse and only legally approved persons are admitted into the country but we can have a lenient approach towards normal villagers bordering Pakistan who have their families on both sides of the border.
 
I would rather salute Afghan Talibans that despite our betrayal under pressure
You know nothing more disgusted me and symbol of Pakistan's traitorous policy in 2001 when Afghanistan's [Taliban] ambassador in Islambad. This is what we did to him.

Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef (/ˈæbdʊl səˈlɑːm zɑːˈiːf/ (listen); born 1968 in Kandahar) was the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan before the US invasion of Afghanistan.[1]

He was detained in Pakistan in the fall of 2001 and held until 2005 in the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp.[1] The United Nations removed Zaeef from its list of terrorists in July 2010.[2]



And who replaced him? Northern Alliance and pro India baskets like Amrullah Saleh. It is a wonder that Taliban are still talking to Pakistan. If it was you. Would you???

To put it bluntly we helped turn Afghanistan from a "No Indian zone" into a country ruled by Indian lovers. You might recall Indian Airline was hijacked and ended up in Kandahar. India could do nothing but beg Pakistan to help. We had Mullah Zaeef placed in Guantanmo Bay and in his place instal Indian lover Amruallah Saleh. Wtf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Airlines_Flight_814



 
You know nothing more disgusted me and symbol of Pakistan's traitorous policy in 2001 when Afghanistan's [Taliban] ambassador in Islambad. This is what we did to him.

Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef (/ˈæbdʊl səˈlɑːm zɑːˈiːf/ (listen); born 1968 in Kandahar) was the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan before the US invasion of Afghanistan.[1]

He was detained in Pakistan in the fall of 2001 and held until 2005 in the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp.[1] The United Nations removed Zaeef from its list of terrorists in July 2010.[2]



And who replaced him? Northern Alliance and pro India baskets like Amrullah Saleh. It is a wonder that Taliban are still talking to Pakistan. If it was you. Would you???

To put it bluntly we helped turn Afghanistan from a "No Indian zone" into a country ruled by Indian lovers. You might recall Indian Airline was hijacked and ended up in Kandahar. India could do nothing but beg Pakistan to help. We had Mullah Zaeef placed in Guantanmo Bay and in his place instal Indian lover Amruallah Saleh. Wtf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Airlines_Flight_814






But at least the Taliban are back and more powerful than they were in 2001, also if there's one group who hates indian hindus/sikhs more than we do, it's the afghan Taliban....... :devil:
 
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You know nothing more disgusted me and symbol of Pakistan's traitorous policy in 2001 when Afghanistan's [Taliban] ambassador in Islambad. This is what we did to him.

Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef (/ˈæbdʊl səˈlɑːm zɑːˈiːf/ (listen); born 1968 in Kandahar) was the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan before the US invasion of Afghanistan.[1]

He was detained in Pakistan in the fall of 2001 and held until 2005 in the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp.[1] The United Nations removed Zaeef from its list of terrorists in July 2010.[2]



And who replaced him? Northern Alliance and pro India baskets like Amrullah Saleh. It is a wonder that Taliban are still talking to Pakistan. If it was you. Would you???

To put it bluntly we helped turn Afghanistan from a "No Indian zone" into a country ruled by Indian lovers. You might recall Indian Airline was hijacked and ended up in Kandahar. India could do nothing but beg Pakistan to help. We had Mullah Zaeef placed in Guantanmo Bay and in his place instal Indian lover Amruallah Saleh. Wtf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Airlines_Flight_814



Well, thanks to Pervaiz Musharraf and a few dollar-eating libturds. How could Pakistan detain an ambassador and then hand him over to USA. Rather they should have taken in protective custody and let him reside in Pakistan until the situation became better. You know, when I first came to PDF, it was a taboo to say anything in the favour of Afghan Talibans and I was labelled as a terrorist sympathiser by many libturds on this forum and I was banned and my posts removed and I use to wonder who runs this forum. Afghan Talibans were never against Pakistan and they never did anything against Pakistan even when Musharraf betrayed them, they still remained silent. Here there was a constant attempt to malign them and portray them as the enemies of Pakistan through the use of TTP which was a terrorist group created and supported by CIA + NDS + RAW. They deliberately chose the name Taliban to defame the Afghan Taliban and I remember there was a huge disinformation campaign by US and its agents in Pakistan that there are no good or bad Talibans. They basically wanted to create a conflict between Afghan Taliban and Pakistan if that had happened, it would have been a great success for the enemies of Pakistan and hugely devastating both for Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is great that some sane elements in the establishment realised this and they did not buy this crap load of lies.

But at least the Taliban are back and more powerful than they were in 2001, also if there's one group who hates indian hindus/sikhs more than we do, it's the afghan Taliban....... :devil:
Okay, I tell you one thing...they did not hate India prior to 2001 rather they were even willing to have good relations but now India has shown its ugly backside to them so now they know exactly what to do with these pathological liars and deceivers and you know Pathan hate liars and deceivers.
 
You know nothing more disgusted me and symbol of Pakistan's traitorous policy in 2001 when Afghanistan's [Taliban] ambassador in Islambad. This is what we did to him.

Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef (/ˈæbdʊl səˈlɑːm zɑːˈiːf/ (listen); born 1968 in Kandahar) was the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan before the US invasion of Afghanistan.[1]

He was detained in Pakistan in the fall of 2001 and held until 2005 in the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp.[1] The United Nations removed Zaeef from its list of terrorists in July 2010.[2]



And who replaced him? Northern Alliance and pro India baskets like Amrullah Saleh. It is a wonder that Taliban are still talking to Pakistan. If it was you. Would you???

To put it bluntly we helped turn Afghanistan from a "No Indian zone" into a country ruled by Indian lovers. You might recall Indian Airline was hijacked and ended up in Kandahar. India could do nothing but beg Pakistan to help. We had Mullah Zaeef placed in Guantanmo Bay and in his place instal Indian lover Amruallah Saleh. Wtf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Airlines_Flight_814




oh supporting highjackers , proud of your highjackers .
good .
 
oh supporting highjackers , proud of your highjackers .
good .
I did not support the hijackers. Merely pointed out the reception given to the Indian Airlines in Kandahar and India by Afghanistan in 1999. Not very friendly. And i think in the long term we are heading to a Pak, Iran, Chinese confluence in Afghanistan with the money/trade provided by China.
 
CPEC since many CIS
Which is why China is going to be playing big role unlike back then. Notice FM Qureshi has been flying around to Beijing, Moscow, Tehran. The moment US pulls out the Afghan ball will land in Pak, Iran, China, Russian hands. There will be one empty seat. You know who sits on it right now?

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In Russia

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https://www.dawn.com/news/1453510/qureshi-meets-chinese-foreign-minister-in-beijing
 
Which is why China is going to be playing big role unlike back then. Notice FM Qureshi has been flying around to Beijing, Moscow, Tehran. The moment US pulls out the Afghan ball will land in Pak, Iran, China, Russian hands. There will be one empty seat. You know who sits on it right now?
I'm happy that there is something to jump start the economy of Afghanistan post-USA departure. Afghanistan has a small population so this trade can be more than sufficient to cover most of its revenues and this will make Afghanistan a lot more integrated and connected to its neighbours. That will help Afghan Taliban become less strict as well. As noted by many journalists like Evon Ridley that Talibans were becoming less strict over time and that's is understandable that under the initial phase of revolutions, people are more strict and temperatures are high but with passage of time, matter cools down and things start to get settled. I want education for Afghan women at all levels but let them decide how they want to proceed.
 
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@Indus Pakistan

I have a simple question; why Afghan Taliban allowed Al-Qaeda Network to establish its base of operations in the region?

Some observations:-

1. Afghan Taliban have no choice but to change their ways because they are subject to accountability for their deeds since 2001. Laaton key bhoot baaton sey nahin mantey.

2. War in Afghanistan have awakened Pakistani nationals, and the country have re-adjusted its trajectory towards the path of enlightenment. We learned to distinguish between WOLVES among us, and reject TERRORISM in all its forms now.

3. US helped Pakistan defeat TTP.

I completely understand that [we] have suffered a great deal due to War in Afghanistan. However, things happen for a reason, and sometimes they are for the betterment of all.
 

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