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You know what else is illegal?Treason which they committed by waging an armed rebellion against the state
And they got what was coming to them for that, incase u didnt notice, Allah o Akbar shouting, long haired and bearded ssg's put these fassadis to the sword, not assma jahahir or hoodbouy, lol, who by the way were seriously hoping that abdul aziz would be succesful in making mushi back of from raping bugtis and cutting of tali heads, and dont ask questions to questions, its shows ones insecurity...
 
And they got what was coming to them for that, incase u didnt notice, Allah o Akbar shouting, long haired and bearded ssg's put these fassadis to the sword, not assma jahahir or hoodbouy, lol, who by the way were seriously hoping that abdul aziz would be succesful in making mushi back of from raping bugtis and cutting of tali heads, and dont ask questions to questions, its shows ones insecurity...
Um you may have noticed my severe disliking for anti national Asma guessyou missed my threads *sigh*
On topic to prevent another Qadri we have to discourage gathrings tjat give. birth to Qadris we have to ban gatherings that promote vigilante justice
 
Sorry I couldn't resist laughing hard after reading this :D And thank God riot police has a new look.


Blasphemy and blasphemy laws ............. a big debate and a matter of never ending confusion in Pakistani society. Sometimes I wonder what's so hard in arriving at a conclusion, may be because both orthodox and so called liberals have arguments full of flaws, hate and without any rational thoughts (this is purely my understanding of how we react to this issue).

Orthodox people need to understand that no law that is unjust or leads to false accusation and persecution of innocent people has any place in an Islamic society. A true follower of Quran can never support injustice. And we have seen in multiple cases that people were wrongly charged under blasphemy laws of Pakistan for personal vendetta only with malicious intents. This means that there is something wrong with the laws, it’s just a manmade law and can be changed and amended within boundaries of Quran's unchangeable rules and guidance. So for goodness sake stop being emotional and start thinking rationally. The biggest blasphemy is not to thrive for an interest free economy or a society that is clean of corruption, so let’s cool down none of us are perfect to claim the love that we claim.

So called liberals ............... well they are a class of their own, the way they start is "Hell with these black laws" and obviously this entices the orthodox emotional party. However, their (liberals) best argument ever is Messenger of ALLAH Muhammad (Peace be upon him) never persecuted anyone for insults so why should we do this. While saying this they forget the circumstances, time and mission of Muhammad (Peace be upon him) ................ a messenger never would do a contradictory or self-satisfying deed, he is far above moral standards of us normal humans, he has far greater vision, mission and goal to achieve, he is there to guide every human and not to discriminate. But once a proper Islamic state has been established and majority are Muslims then nothing stops the governor / government to formulate such laws, such laws should be there ............. the only condition I believe is those laws should be just, implemented properly and shouldn't straight away chant death to the offender ……… Everyone deserves to understand why he was wrong (except for murder) and to correct his mistake.
The law is not wrong, its implementation is flawed, such is the case with millions of other laws in pakistan which are expolited by corrupt elite but does that mean we should dispense with those laws, no, we need to introduce transparency in judicial system, break up lawyer mafia, appoint judges on meritt, give them security from threats, national security agencies should surviel judges to keep them from recieving birbes etc, according to me the blasphemey law needs a clause, a clause which states that any wrong accusation without ample proof would automatically convict the accuser to atleast 10 yrs in prison, moreover any lynching of a suspected blasmphemer by a mob would automatically mean the death penalty for the accuser, but if one is proven a blasmphemer than no leniency should be shown to him/her, people here need to understand that blasphemy does not mean qualitative diasgreement with islam ,its laws, even its core tenets, that is and must be always welcome, blasphemy means mocking religious personalities, islamic laws teachings etc in a malicious way, abusing n insulting religious personalities etc with the intent of spreading choas, hatred and division, go read up the international laws on incitement to voilence, that is exactly what the blasphemers do and such behaviour cant be excused...
 
The law is not wrong, its implementation is flawed, such is the case with millions of other laws in pakistan which are expolited by corrupt elite but does that mean we should dispense with those laws, no, we need to introduce transparency in judicial system, break up lawyer mafia, appoint judges on meritt, give them security from threats, national security agencies should surviel judges to keep them from recieving birbes etc,

So before proper implementation of blasphemy laws nearly every other law in Pakistan needs repealing?

that is exactly what the blasphemers do and such behaviour cant be excused...

You propose death penalty only?
 
Um you may have noticed my severe disliking for anti national Asma guessyou missed my threads *sigh*
On topic to prevent another Qadri we have to discourage gathrings tjat give. birth to Qadris we have to ban gatherings that promote vigilante justice
Absolutely and the only way to curb vigilante justice is for the state to take responsibility, they should have forced taseer to shut up and get dollars on someother issue before it got out of hand, the taseer fiasco was more of a failiure of the state..

So before proper implementation of blasphemy laws nearly every other law in Pakistan needs repealing?



You propose death penalty only?
That is a very valid point raised by you, ,lets discuss it a little further, what lighter punishment do u propose?
 
That is a very valid point raised by you, ,lets discuss it a little further, what lighter punishment do u propose?

In my opinion it should be case to case basis ............... a full transparent detailed inquiry in which mental, physical, educational, financial condition of both the accused and the one who is accusing and circumstances in which such incident happened should be considered.

  • In any case the accuser needs to produce unrelated, unbiased, sound witnesses. If he fails the case should be dismissed with a strict warning to accuser and on a repeat failed attempt at accusing someone of something that never happened, such a person should be lashed in public.
  • In any case that involves a non Muslim who has committed blasphemy (insulting any religion or any community) unknowingly, he should be given benefit of doubt for lack of knowledge and his ignorance, however, a strict warning not to repeat the offence again should be given and recorded. The repeat offence should be dealt harshly.
  • In any case that involves a non Muslim who committed blasphemy knowingly and witnesses are there, then he should be imprisoned with a fine to the extent of damage to the public property caused by his action to incite violence. However, the extent of such act and medium used should also be considered. If it's an isolated incident in a small place that doesn't lead to law and order situation in rest of the country, it should be dealt softly with soft punishments, but if it creates law and order situation and is spread in nook and corner of country by medium such as internet, then the punishment should be severe but still no death penalty.
  • In any case that involves a Muslim committing the act and if the act is committed against minorities, he should be punished and fined harshly.
  • In any case that involves a Muslim committing the act and if the act is committed against Islam, well life sentence.
  • In any case that involves a medium that spreads the content to nook and corner of country and is conducted knowingly to incite violence and law and order situation, such a person should not be spared. The punishment should be exemplary.
This is my personal view.
 
Absolutely and the only way to curb vigilante justice is for the state to take responsibility, they should have forced taseer to shut up and get dollars on someother issue before it got out of hand, the taseer fiasco was more of a failiure of the state..


That is a very valid point raised by you, ,lets discuss it a little further, what lighter punishment do u propose?
He didnot commit a crime its not illegal to question or criticize blasphemy law
 
If Maulvi Aziz would be in India with organe color lungi and red make-up on his forehead, he would have been made CM of some populus state. :rofl:

But in Pakistan, fanatics have no chance of winning seats because normal general public hates them!
 
That's extremely stupid.

It's their right to hold public conferences. Let them hold their conference in peace and exercise their right. They want to speak against social media blasphemy? By all means, go ahead.

Idiots trying to 'stop extremism' don't understand that by choking these guys, you make them resent the state even more. Let their energies out via loud speakers....and soon it will just normalize and they won't explode out against the state in desperation...and with time, their movement will go bust.

This is security studies 101. Our ex-military instructors here in U.S would routinely tell us about security benefits of 'freedom of speech' and how it takes away the momentum of many deeply controversial movements over time.

But alas, Pakistanis can't understand common sensical approach to wider national security.

Now I'll see dumb wanna be liberal/seculars jumping up and down for their "victory"....while infact they only gave more energy and momentum to these people...

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Agree.

Give the right to register their protest peacefully but issue strict guidelines that hate speech and incitement to violence will result in immediate arrests and prosecution.

Get an agreement signed and let them speak accordingly under monitoring.

Foolish to drive this underground where such things get worse.

PMLN gov really doesn't know how to manage such things.
 
Agree.

Give the right to register their protest peacefully but issue strict guidelines that hate speech and incitement to violence will result in immediate arrests and prosecution.

Get an agreement signed and let them speak accordingly under monitoring.

Foolish to drive this underground where such things get worse.

PMLN gov really doesn't know how to manage such things.
I disagree daish loving fasadis should be jailed but our Interior minister has friends in the wrong places he is playing dangerous game in name of politics just like his boss who has friends in another desh
 
I disagree daish loving fasadis should be jailed but our Interior minister has friends in the wrong places he is playing dangerous game in name of politics just like his boss who has friends in another desh

I agree they should be jailed for the crimes committed but the same gov won't do that. When Musharaf tried, liberals came to rescue.
 
I agree they should be jailed for the crimes committed but the same gov won't do that. When Musharaf tried, liberals came to rescue.
Jailthen we justhad a young girl un off to daish becauseof scum bags like him who sell their manjan in name of religion
Um i would call Mushthe progressiv back then those who were against him were Mullah loving anti nationals on bharati payrolls :D
 
Jailthen we justhad a young girl un off to daish becauseof scum bags like him who sell their manjan in name of religion
Um i would call Mushthe progressiv back then those who were against him were Mullah loving anti nationals on bharati payrolls :D

And most these who were condemning Musharaf are the liberals we know very well.
 

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