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ABP India Summit 2023: Javed Akhtar Saw "No Visible Poverty" in Lahore, Pakistan

Giyath al din Tughlaq name itself is a corrupted form of "Qutlugh".

His famous quote was “that my bow and arrow is my throne

Qutlugh was a direct descendant of Chenghiz Khan (Mongol).

Truth is that his origin is in dispute, but he clearly wanted to show himself as Mongol, that too of Royal descent. Probably to get supporters to his claim on the throne.
 
Giyath al din Tughlaq name itself is a corrupted form of "Qutlugh".
Firishta claims that it is a corruption of the Turkic term Qutlugh,

but this is doubtful. Literary, numismatic and epigraphic evidence makes it clear that Tughlaq was not an ancestral designation, but the personal name of the dynasty's founder Ghazi Malik.

Historians use the designation Tughlaq to describe the entire dynasty as a matter of convenience, but to call it the Tughlaq dynasty is inaccurate, as none of the dynasty's kings not used Tughlaq as a surname: only Ghiyath al-Din's son Muhammad bin Tughluq called himself the son of Tughlaq Shah ("bin Tughlaq"
His famous quote was “that my bow and arrow is my throne

Qutlugh was a direct descendant of Chenghiz Khan (Mongol).

Truth is that his origin is in dispute, but he clearly wanted to show himself as Mongol, that too of Royal descent. Probably to get supporters to his claim on the throne.
He defeated the mongols 22 times and this is what he had to say about mongols, he was famous for his Mongol hatred lmao
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Nor did he officially ever claimed to be mongol or for that matter a Turk

His name was ancestral name was Ghazi Malik - ghias ud whatever was his courtname, not ancestral one
 
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. Probably to get supporters to his claim on the throne.
No one supported his claim to the throne except for khokhars

They were the one's who conquered Delhi for him, upon conquering the city khokhar clan chief symbolically tied a turban upon Ghazi Maliks head and declared him the ruler of Delhi sultanate

No one other than them supported his rise to the throne - his army was exclusively made up of mostly Punjabis from his fiefdom in Punjab and khokhar tribesmen
 
Really sonny in Afghan culture cousin marriage is less common then Pakistan??

Talk about WhatsApp university
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Afghanistan​

Consanguineous marriages are legal and relatively common in Afghanistan. The proportion of consanguineous marriages in the country stands at 46.2%, with significant regional variations ranging from 38.2% in Kabul province to 51.2% in Bamyan province.

Pakistan​

In Pakistan, cousin marriage is legal and common. Reasons for consanguinity are economic, religious and cultural. Data collected in 2014 from the Malakand District of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province (KPK), Pakistan showed that around 66.4% of marriages among rural couples were to a first or second cousin. In some areas, higher proportion of first-cousin marriages in Pakistan has been noted to be the cause of an increased rate of blood disorders in the population.
 
I wonder whether Javed Akhtar visited interior Sindh and Balochistan.

Why you are using Bigger and bold fonts...does it make your post more sounding ?

I guess this is the proof that Pakistan has a vast undocumented economy and conditions aren't as bad as they're made out to be. I have seen the glamour of the elites of Lahore (they have good housing authorities, access to hormone replacement therapy and many more first world amenities), but never the poverty of Lahore. It seems all the poor people of Pakistan live in Peshawar, Karachi and other cities where documentaries show orphan children roaming in the streets and gun violence.

This is true.

actually lahoris live in a mind set " Aag Lagey basti mein ....lahori apni masti mein"
 

Famous Indian writer and poet Javed Akhtar told his audience at a conference in New Delhi that he saw "no visible poverty" in Lahore during his multiple visits to Pakistan over the last three decades. Responding to Indian novelist Chetan Bhagat's query about Pakistan's economic crisis at ABP's "Ideas of India Summit 2023" in Mumbai, Akhtar said: "Unlike what you see in Delhi and Mumbai, I did not see any visible poverty in Lahore". This was Akhtar's first interview upon his return to India after attending "Faiz Festival" in Lahore, Pakistan.

Javed Akhtar at ABP Ideas Summit in Mumbai

Chetan Bhagat began by talking about high inflation, low forex reserves and major economic crisis in Pakistan and followed it up by asking Javed Akhtar about its effects he saw on the people in Pakistan. In response, Akhtar said, "Bilkul Nahin (Not at all). In India you see poverty right in front of you, next door to a billionaire. Maybe it is kept back of the beyond. Only some people are allowed to enter certain areas. But you don't see it (poverty) on the streets. In India, it is right in front of you...amiri bhi or gharibi bhi (wealth and poverty). Sare kam apke samne hain (It's all in front of you). Wahan yeh dekhai nahin deta (you don't see it in Pakistan)".

Disappointed by the response, Bhagat suggested that the Indian visitor could have been guided by his hosts through certain routes where he couldn't see any poverty. Javed Akhtar then said "it's not possible to hide poverty. I would have seen at least a "jhalak" (glimpse) of it as I always do in Delhi and Mumbai....I have been to Pakistan many times but I have not seen it".

What Javed Akhtar saw and reported recently is obviously anecdotal evidence. But it is also supported by hard data. Over 75% of the world's poor deprived of basic living standards (nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing) live in India compared to 4.6% in Bangladesh and 4.1% in Pakistan, according to a recently released OPHI/UNDP report on multidimensional poverty. Here's what the report says: "More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators (nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing). Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile".





The UNDP poverty report shows that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh. In terms of the population vulnerable to multidimensional poverty, Pakistan (12.9%) does better than Bangladesh (18.2%) and India (18.7%) However, Pakistan fares worse than India and Bangladesh in multiple dimensions of poverty. The headline multidimensional poverty (MPI) figure for Pakistan (0.198) is worse than for Bangladesh (0.104) and India (0.069). This is primarily due to the education and health deficits in Pakistan. Adults with fewer than 6 years of schooling are considered multidimensionally poor by OPHI/UNDP. Income poverty is not included in the MPI calculations. The data used by OHP/UNDP for MPI calculation is from years 2017/18 for Pakistan and from years 2019/2021 for India.


The Indian government's reported multidimensional poverty rate of 25.01% is much higher than the OPHI/UNDP estimate of 16.4%. NITI Ayog report released in November 2021 says: "India’s national MPI identifies 25.01 percent of the population as multidimensionally poor".


Earlier last year, Global Hunger Index 2022 reported that India ranks 107th for hunger among 121 nations. The nation fares worse than all of its South Asian neighbors except for war-torn Afghanistan ranked 109, according to the the report. Sri Lanka ranks 64, Nepal 81, Bangladesh 84 and Pakistan 99. India and Pakistan have levels of hunger that are considered serious. Both have slipped on the hunger charts from 2021 when India was ranked 101 and Pakistan 92. Seventeen countries, including Bosnia, China, Kuwait, Turkey and UAE, are collectively ranked between 1 and 17 for having a score of less than five.

Here's a video of Javed Akhtar's interview with Chetan Bhagat at ABP's "Ideas of India Summit 2023". Please watch from 4:19 to 6:00 minutes.



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I am happy though surprised that Pakistan have no slums .
 
I guess this is the proof that Pakistan has a vast undocumented economy and conditions aren't as bad as they're made out to be. I have seen the glamour of the elites of Lahore (they have good housing authorities, access to hormone replacement therapy and many more first world amenities), but never the poverty of Lahore. It seems all the poor people of Pakistan live in Peshawar, Karachi and other cities where documentaries show orphan children roaming in the streets and gun violence.

That is the correct analysis.

Pakistan is a poor country of rich people.
India is a rich country of poor people.

Our black economy is many times the size of the documented white economy.

An ill managed, ill engineered economy, which if managed right could put neighbors to shame.
 
1920px-Global_prevalence_of_consanguinity.svg.png

Afghanistan​

Consanguineous marriages are legal and relatively common in Afghanistan. The proportion of consanguineous marriages in the country stands at 46.2%, with significant regional variations ranging from 38.2% in Kabul province to 51.2% in Bamyan province.

Pakistan​

In Pakistan, cousin marriage is legal and common. Reasons for consanguinity are economic, religious and cultural. Data collected in 2014 from the Malakand District of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province (KPK), Pakistan showed that around 66.4% of marriages among rural couples were to a first or second cousin. In some areas, higher proportion of first-cousin marriages in Pakistan has been noted to be the cause of an increased rate of blood disorders in the population.
Oh so for Pakistan they are using data collected from just one District of mostly tribal population
Not even a complete province and compare it to multilocular survey of Afghanistan

Talk about lopsidedness
 
Views from a pakistani who actually VISITED and Toured India a week back.

Anecdotal vignettes, while interesting, are not very helpful in benchmarking large complex nations. This author seems to be an expert social scientist and he has written about comparative development.

The depth of India’s strategic vision​

 
Anecdotal vignettes, while interesting, are not very helpful in benchmarking large complex nations. This author seems to be an expert social scientist and he has written about comparative development.

The depth of India’s strategic vision​


The views are of an educated pakistani who had the rare opportunity to visit multiple places in India.

Usually visa is not given to pakistanis and those who make it are usually the religious pilgrims and Medical tourists who are too busy in their own world to make vlogs.

Also visa to pakistanis are issued to only one location, its very very rare to find a pakistani get Visa to visit multiple locations. That is why this vlog is special and rare.

In fact I am still confused as to how he got this visa, being an US citizen of pakistani heritage. Maybe he claimed Indian heritage via is Indian grandparents.
 
Don’t you Pakistani Punjabis claim turk and Arab ancestry ? I am yet to see a Pakistani Punjabi who has a Punjabi name and follows Punjabi religion.
I know Punjab was colonised by Arabs , Afghans , Turks and Persians but so was rest of India so why did only Punjab , Sindh and Kashmir accepted islam in Majority ? I have never been able to understand this
Apart from that there is no history of empires from Punjab and Sindh , Gupta and Maurya Empire from Bihar , Chola Empire from South India , Maratha Empire from Maharashtra but I haven’t heard of any empire from Punjab
Don't take it to heart, if you invade Punjab from the east, they will revert back to Hinduism and Sikhism just as easily. A trial run proved this concept in '47, whereby many a woman and girls were left behind and duly reverted back to Sikhism.
 

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