There are no Chattha or Cheema Hindus though. They are either Sikhs or Muslims.Sounds like Bullshyt!
Makes no sense, when you Panjabis take pride in surnames like...,Chatha,Cheema etc and claim you
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There are no Chattha or Cheema Hindus though. They are either Sikhs or Muslims.Sounds like Bullshyt!
Makes no sense, when you Panjabis take pride in surnames like...,Chatha,Cheema etc and claim you
By the grace of Almighty number 8 and 10 are still alive Alhamdolillah and fighting against aggressors."[Serious]"
I saw this image on reddit few hours ago and do it have sparked number of questions in my mind.
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These results the people Indian army have killed in Kashmir. And i hve noticed that majority of them are actually Kashmiri Pundits who converted to Islam.
1) why these brahmins converts to Islam ? And when ?
2) how Muslims view these converted brahmins? Do they get respect in Pakistani or Kashmiri society?
3) how muslims view these muslims who have "pundit" surname specifically?
4) do they intermarry with other muslims ? Do they have their own biradaris?
5) how Muslims brahmins view their heritage? And sanskrit.
6) how Pashtuns,Baloch view these brahmins? And Rajputs?
We dont have muslim brahmins in north india beside kashmir and Pakistani punjab so I posted this in Pakistani history section.
@Mian Babban and @DESERT FIGHTER being a pashtun and Baloch your answers are much needed and highly valuable/ credible for us.
@waz keep this thread clean please.
The PM of Pakistan is a Kashmiri Butt...where are Pakistani muslim brahmins lol? If they exist then believe me they are happy at the fact that they will enter jannat and not hell.
If true then they are good at hiding their identity,.
We have cheema hindus. Cheemaji is widely used nick name here.There are no Chattha or Cheema Hindus though. They are either Sikhs or Muslims.
)in Haryana?We have cheema hindus. Cheemaji is widely used nick name here.
Bin Qasim didn't abolish 'hindu caste system' in Sindh given that during his time the majority of Sindh was made up of Buddhists who didn't have a varna system.
Bhils of Sindh are Marwari as they speak Rajasthani dialect rather than Sindhi.Sindh is diverse AF.
I've met 3rd gen Baluch (my new driver is a Magsi, whose grandfather migrated from jhal Magsi).
Another guy I met is a Sindhi of Pashtun origin.
Than there are Sindhi Baluch like Talpurs,Jatois etc.
Sindhi Rajputs Soomro,Samma (whose dynasties ruled the Sindh state).
Than other tribes like Kalhoros etc.
Syeds (descendents of Pirs, who are respected madly, even if they are azzholez,exploiting poor).
The Hindus of Sindh are also divided .. Rajputs,Traders and the Dalit Bheels who again are exploited by land owners and high castes).
I'm also Baloch, and had always though that Sindhi Baluch are the reminents of Baluch dynasties, like the Sadozais,Khakwanis etc and other Pashtuns of Waseeb,southern Panjab)...Bhils of Sindh are Marwari as they speak Rajasthani dialect rather than Sindhi.
40% of Sindhis are Baloch tribes and the rest are Sammat or native Sindhis.
Baloch tribes would have migrated to Sindh at different times, many might have been living there since ancient times. Talpurs are a branch of the Leghari Baloch of South Punjab. In that region ethnic identity is very complex. Brahuis and Balochs are almost interchangeable in Balochistan, with the Kalat state being ruled by Brahuis. After Kalhoro-Kalat wars, the Talpurs came to Sindh. Tribes like Jatoi or Chandio might be old Sindhis as well (Chandio sounds very much like a Sindhi name, its Chandiyah in South Punjab).I'm also Baloch, and had always though that Sindhi Baluch are the reminents of Baluch dynasties, like the Sadozais,Khakwanis etc and other Pashtuns of Waseeb,southern Panjab)...
I am Sadozai (Sudhan) from Poonch Azad Kashmir .I'm also Baloch, and had always though that Sindhi Baluch are the reminents of Baluch dynasties, like the Sadozais,Khakwanis etc and other Pashtuns of Waseeb,southern Panjab)...
Bheels etc live in thar,border areas so they probably are rajhisthani).

What about Joiya Rajputs of southern Panjab ?Baloch tribes would have migrated to Sindh at different times, many might have been living there since ancient times. Talpurs are a branch of the Leghari Baloch of South Punjab. In that region ethnic identity is very complex. Brahuis and Balochs are almost interchangeable in Balochistan, with the Kalat state being ruled by Brahuis. After Kalhoro-Kalat wars, the Talpurs came to Sindh. Tribes like Jatoi or Chandio might be old Sindhis as well (Chandio sounds very much like a Sindhi name, its Chandiyah in South Punjab).
In Pakpattan district where most of them are, they are Jatts. It's confusing for many of these Bar tribes, as some of them are called Jatts others Rajputs. Now many of them only identify with their clan e.g Kharrals of Pakpattan/Sahiwal only identifyWhat about Joiya Rajputs of southern Panjab ?
One of my best buddies is from the Joiya family of Kehror Paka... Seriki speaking Rajput?
Before meeting him , I never knew there were Seriki speaking Rajputs ... although according to him, they are natives .. but I doubt they are also settlers ?
Sad. Too bad we were not able to save them in past.![]()
Once I was travelling by motorway to gujranwala from Lahore.In Pakpattan district where most of them are, they are Jatts. It's confusing for many of these Bar tribes, as some of them are called Jatts others Rajputs. Now many of them only identify with their clan e.g Kharrals of Pakpattan/Sahiwal only identify
as Kharral and not Jat or Rajput.
Interesting thing about these Bar tribes is that they were nomadic or pastoral until the 19th century when most of the forested regions of the Bar were cleared by the British.
I think they are the original Sindhi Jats as described in the Chachnama as the population of Sindh was described as mostly made up of Buddhist Jatts or Meds who were nomadic/pastoral. Their clans are usually only Muslim exclusive as well (like Sial, Wattoo, Dogar etc.)
Rai Ahmed Khan Kharral was from Jhamra (district Lyallpur/Faisalabad) not Kamalia.Once I was travelling by motorway to gujranwala from Lahore.
Gave lift to a motorway police inspector ... during our chitchat.. he revealed that he was from Pindi bhattian and a Kharral...
Asked him the same question.. he replied that they are Rajputs but many others call themselves Jatts.. probably because they have been marrying among Jatts and living with them since ages.
Coming back to the Kharrals , of Kamalia, the area of the famous Ahmed Khan Kharral ... well they are proud of being Rajputs rather than Jatts etc...
Id personally think that there are several sub clans that either have same names to other clans ... or have some have intermingles with other groups..
For example the Khokars.
Half of them claim to be Rajputs, others claim to be Jatts and than some claim to be a seperate tribe..
Now the friend I'm talking about is from a well off political,(large) landowning family... PML Q... so I doubt that they just migrated to the region,claimed to be Rajputs and adopted Seriki.
I think they are best described as their own thing, the dialect that they speak too is Lahnda similar to Jhangochi, as well as being nomadic/pastoral and having curious traditions e.gOnce I was travelling by motorway to gujranwala from Lahore.
Gave lift to a motorway police inspector ... during our chitchat.. he revealed that he was from Pindi bhattian and a Kharral...
Asked him the same question.. he replied that they are Rajputs but many others call themselves Jatts.. probably because they have been marrying among Jatts and living with them since ages.
Coming back to the Kharrals , of Kamalia, the area of the famous Ahmed Khan Kharral ... well they are proud of being Rajputs rather than Jatts etc...
Id personally think that there are several sub clans that either have same names to other clans ... or have some have intermingles with other groups..
For example the Khokars.
Half of them claim to be Rajputs, others claim to be Jatts and than some claim to be a seperate tribe..
Now the friend I'm talking about is from a well off political,(large) landowning family... PML Q... so I doubt that they just migrated to the region,claimed to be Rajputs and adopted Seriki.