A Tripartite Agreement of $2.4 billion Kohala Hydropower Project under CPEC signed today

[RealNapster]

moulvis won't allow it.

You giving them undeserved credit. Refer to operation agaibat TLP goons. And its effect. They (molvis) were literally publishing in newspapers that they have no connection with TLP..

 

[HalfMoon]

Did India protest yet ?

@Protest_again

 

[ali_raza]

Kindly share the figures.

Secondly the post u quoted was talking about katzarah dam at skardu which is indus river not jehlum.

yes u r right and indus when it comes at katzara is very small its later when it joins shyok which btw is pplanned to be damed also
later it gets most of its water from hunza still not too much to justify a huge dam one diamer bhasha is good enough
its at downstream we need big dam like down tarbela where we get kabul river plus sawat river where we r making momand/munda
its almost 30 maf plus 90 maf from indus thats why kalabagh is soo avidly opposed cos thats where we have most amount of water and it can be a game changer
but still we can take much of its benefits from soan dam or akhori but still we will have no way damming kabul river
if geography was kind to us then kon mithan should have been a mountainous area but mother nature has given us that only
for now try changing thinking of people and do water conservation efforts
only sufaida trees throw tarbela dam equivalent water into air
now ask ur self who we fooling here
and btw india doesn’t steal any water neither can it do anything even if she does the amounts r miniscule to have any dent on our overall availability of water

You aware of the quantity that we dont use and went to sea? Need barages for that. And, reservoirs where possible. Its not that there isn't enough water but that we are unable to hold the available water ajd use it where and when its necessary.

not that simple
indus delta needs to be protected too
another solution is go netherlands type and dam the sea
dont let a drop pass

Katzara dam is no joke how will you relocate whole Skardu City??

not the biggest issue but we dont have that much extra water available at that specific point

 

[The Accountant]

yes u r right and indus when it comes at katzara is very small its later when it joins shyok which btw is pplanned to be damed also
later it gets most of its water from hunza still not too much to justify a huge dam one diamer bhasha is good enough
its at downstream we need big dam like down tarbela where we get kabul river plus sawat river where we r making momand/munda
its almost 30 maf plus 90 maf from indus thats why kalabagh is soo avidly opposed cos thats where we have most amount of water and it can be a game changer
but still we can take much of its benefits from soan dam or akhori but still we will have no way damming kabul river
if geography was kind to us then kon mithan should have been a mountainous area but mother nature has given us that only
for now try changing thinking of people and do water conservation efforts
only sufaida trees throw tarbela dam equivalent water into air
now ask ur self who we fooling here
and btw india doesn’t steal any water neither can it do anything even if she does the amounts r miniscule to have any dent on our overall availability of water


not that simple
indus delta needs to be protected too
another solution is go netherlands type and dam the sea
dont let a drop pass


not the biggest issue but we dont have that much extra water available at that specific point

No one is foolobg around. We should have as many dams as we could. If trees transfer water into the year they also nit only absorb water from air but also bring rain and keep soil healthy.

First of all the dams u r not talking about are not mutually exclusive and all the dams should be build not only for water but energy also.

Furtheemore khatzarah fam have enough water the problem is the area is remote and was difficult to get heavy machinery in skardu otherwise it was cheapest and biggest dam to made.

Furthermore, your claim that india is not taking our water kindly go and see ravi and bias. They have almost took it all.

 

[RealNapster]

not that simple
indus delta needs to be protected too
another solution is go netherlands type and dam the sea
dont let a drop pass

The indus, near the sea is split in hundreds of streams and creaks. You can not possible built a dam wall on that section it will stretch atleast 30+ km's. Also the topography in that region is plain, you can never store water there. So isn't it nore feasible to built multiple dams in Kashmir, KP, punjab etc, of dam wall length ranging from 50-700 feet and the topography will allow you to store water too.

Who is responsible for debunking lies, any body working on it?

You sir, Educated citizen of this land. You 'share' the responsibility to debunk all lies which are meant to harm our country

Furtheemore khatzarah fam have enough water the problem is the area is remote and was difficult to get heavy machinery in skardu otherwise it was cheapest and biggest dam to made.

I think last i read about it, they were thinking of downscaling it to 7000 MW. Wonder what happened to that plan

 

[ali_raza]

No one is foolobg around. We should have as many dams as we could. If trees transfer water into the year they also nit only absorb water from air but also bring rain and keep soil healthy.

First of all the dams u r not talking about are not mutually exclusive and all the dams should be build not only for water but energy also.

Furtheemore khatzarah fam have enough water the problem is the area is remote and was difficult to get heavy machinery in skardu otherwise it was cheapest and biggest dam to made.

Furthermore, your claim that india is not taking our water kindly go and see ravi and bias. They have almost took it all.

we signed up for it
we sold bias
who is biggest wiser then the victim
we had 250 acres on banks of once bias river called in our area suk bias
indus water treaty while brought peace also we had to give away our 3 eastern rivers
and india is legal to take whtever from em
only 15.87% of it is ours

The indus, near the sea is split in hundreds of streams and creaks. You can not possible built a dam wall on that section it will stretch atleast 30+ km's. Also the topography in that region is plain, you can never store water there. So isn't it nore feasible to built multiple dams in Kashmir, KP, punjab etc, of dam wall length ranging from 50-700 feet and the topography will allow you to store water too.



You sir, Educated citizen of this land. You 'share' the responsibility to debunk all lies which are meant to harm our country



I think last i read about it, they were thinking of downscaling it to 7000 MW. Wonder what happened to that plan

katzarah is being renamed and downscaled as skardu dam
but as i said before we cant stop all the water in indus at that point we need 16000 mw run of river down the line so either we go bunji or just have water up stream
while same can be acheaved downstream tarbela with easy and abundance of water
use some logic and do some research
katzara was feasible if it would be the only 1 on indus while rest were run of river until u reach kalabagh valley
there we dam kabul/sawat thats it 44 maf capacity right there 6 magla dams worth

@Blacklight sir u need to visit this thread

 

[Arsalan]

i say it and i will speak with figures
do h know how much MAF is IWS
wht part of that is usable and wht part is not and how much is absolutely necessary to be thrown in sea
its not that simple


no sir i m extremely again those paid leeches
i have done my own research over the years
the op was talking about making dam on jehlam river for that i said there isn’t much water in jehlam actually to have a mangla like reservoir
out of 195 maf we get 175 is used
and rest is wasted we need major dam in punjab lile soan or akhori

Dear the post was about Katzarah Dam and not something on Jehlum River.
Also please share the data figures you have gathered so we all can look at it too. It will be interesting to read.

not that simple
indus delta needs to be protected too
another solution is go netherlands type and dam the sea
dont let a drop pass

To protect the delta you need continuous flow. A dam will just ensure that, better than the flood like flow in summers and dry in winters which is already effecting areas upto Badin and Thatta!


in our case, a dam will HELP preserve the delta. If you to visit Kotri barage (the last one we have on the river before it flows in to Arabia Sea) you will see massive difference in water-flow depending on the season. That needs to be controlled and dam will help that.

 

[ali_raza]

Dear the post was about Katzarah Dam and not something on Jehlum River.
Also please share the data figures you have gathered so we all can look at it too. It will be interesting to read.


To protect the delta you need continuous flow. A dam will just ensure that, better than the flood like flow in summers and dry in winters which is already effecting areas upto Badin and Thatta!


in our case, a dam will HELP preserve the delta. If you to visit Kotri barage (the last one we have on the river before it flows in to Arabia Sea) you will see massive difference in water-flow depending on the season. That needs to be controlled and dam will help that.

making a wall on delta isnt as difficult as it seems
wht we need is a earth filled structure on which we make a road connecting all sind coastal area to karachi it also has immense military advantages as we know the area is pretty close to bhuj gujrat which is pretty much marshy all year around and we traditionally couldn’t move any forces cos of this handicap while if we have this kind of infrastructure in the area in time of hostilities we can bring our forces from 5 corps karachi in matter of minutes and out manuver the enemy cos they have nothing of sort on the other side.
anyway on ur figures of delta
its almost 28-35 maf mostly in summer months u can say we have water available 90 days a year at that point and thats it
we need sind barrage asap which is capable in its design to hold 2.5 maf while its not enough still will make a 55 km long lake making alote of development available to area.
still i stick to my point that a wall on indus delta is only way forward by that we reclaim all the lands and also make a reservoir a huge lake but shallow one just enough for boats so it can even become a marine heaven on one side and economic corridor on the other side
all the while saving all our waters
the plus point of this is we can still throw away excess water if we want

 

[The Accountant]

The indus, near the sea is split in hundreds of streams and creaks. You can not possible built a dam wall on that section it will stretch atleast 30+ km's. Also the topography in that region is plain, you can never store water there. So isn't it nore feasible to built multiple dams in Kashmir, KP, punjab etc, of dam wall length ranging from 50-700 feet and the topography will allow you to store water too.



You sir, Educated citizen of this land. P

making a wall on delta isnt as difficult as it seems
wht we need is a earth filled structure on which we make a road connecting all sind coastal area to karachi it also has immense military advantages as we know the area is pretty close to bhuj gujrat which is pretty much marshy all year around and we traditionally couldn’t move any forces cos of this handicap while if we have this kind of infrastructure in the area in time of hostilities we can bring our forces from 5 corps karachi in matter of minutes and out manuver the enemy cos they have nothing of sort on the other side.
anyway on ur figures of delta
its almost 28-35 maf mostly in summer months u can say we have water available 90 days a year at that point and thats it
we need sind barrage asap which is capable in its design to hold 2.5 maf while its not enough still will make a 55 km long lake making alote of development available to area.
still i stick to my point that a wall on indus delta is only way forward by that we reclaim all the lands and also make a reservoir a huge lake but shallow one just enough for boats so it can even become a marine heaven on one side and economic corridor on the other side
all the while saving all our waters
the plus point of this is we can still throw away excess water if we want

You are talking alot of things without giving any specific plan or any specific data to prove your point.

You are against some dams but in favor of others without any known reason.

You are saying water is not available when dams are not just water but also for energy generation can recover cost only in terms of energy generation. Furthermore saving from floods is something additional.

If you are knowledgebale as per your claim kindly show us some specific plan which is in your mind with figures otherwise you are just miss guiding.

 

[Arsalan]

making a wall on delta isnt as difficult as it seems
wht we need is a earth filled structure on which we make a road connecting all sind coastal area to karachi it also has immense military advantages as we know the area is pretty close to bhuj gujrat which is pretty much marshy all year around and we traditionally couldn’t move any forces cos of this handicap while if we have this kind of infrastructure in the area in time of hostilities we can bring our forces from 5 corps karachi in matter of minutes and out manuver the enemy cos they have nothing of sort on the other side.
anyway on ur figures of delta
its almost 28-35 maf mostly in summer months u can say we have water available 90 days a year at that point and thats it
we need sind barrage asap which is capable in its design to hold 2.5 maf while its not enough still will make a 55 km long lake making alote of development available to area.
still i stick to my point that a wall on indus delta is only way forward by that we reclaim all the lands and also make a reservoir a huge lake but shallow one just enough for boats so it can even become a marine heaven on one side and economic corridor on the other side
all the while saving all our waters
the plus point of this is we can still throw away excess water if we want

Why are we jumping from one point to the other without addressing the first one? The argument was that DAM will effect Indus River Delta, that was what i was replying to. Once we are done with it we can move on the that wall thing too.

 

[ali_raza]

You are talking alot of things without giving any specific plan or any specific data to prove your point.

You are against some dams but in favor of others without any known reason.

You are saying water is not available when dams are not just water but also for energy generation can recover cost only in terms of energy generation. Furthermore saving from floods is something additional.

If you are knowledgebale as per your claim kindly show us some specific plan which is in your mind with figures otherwise you are just miss guiding.

wht part of my statement u don’t understand
make bullet points and ask wht u don’t understand
and i cant bring u drawings
or detailed study reports
soil samples
bhai

Why are we jumping from one point to the other without addressing the first one? The argument was that DAM will effect Indus River Delta, that was what i was replying to. Once we are done with it we can move on the that wall thing too.

my point is if u want to make dams u have to take care of delta region too
for that we need to make a wall
we have water 90 days a year
and it’s availability varies from place to place
like at katzarah we barely receive 30 maf and u want a 40 maf dam there
then why we have tarbela bhasha dasu bunji thakot ?
maximum amount pf water available in pakistan isn’t at katzara its least
maximum is at kabul river confluence with indus 90maf and next point is kot mithan

and about katzara we have a planned project there named skardu dam
almost size of bhasha/tarbela
which in my opinion is maximum available water we can spare at that point specifically for run of river planned down the line 25000 mw almost
that can be a game changer

 

[The Accountant]

wht part of my statement u don’t understand
make bullet points and ask wht u don’t understand
and i cant bring u drawings
or detailed study reports
soil samples
bhai


my point is if u want to make dams u have to take care of delta region too
for that we need to make a wall
we have water 90 days a year
and it’s availability varies from place to place
like at katzarah we barely receive 30 maf and u want a 40 maf dam there
then why we have tarbela bhasha dasu bunji thakot ?
maximum amount pf water available in pakistan isn’t at katzara its least
maximum is at kabul river confluence with indus 90maf and next point is kot mithan

and about katzara we have a planned project there named skardu dam
almost size of bhasha/tarbela
which in my opinion is maximum available water we can spare at that point specifically for run of river planned down the line 25000 mw almost
that can be a game changer

Dam will help in saving rhe delta. Thise 90 days of heavy water flow will be stored at various locations and will be rrleased consistently throughout the year as per need.

With respect to katzarah or any other dam there is no specific prioeity but we need atleast three to four big dams not only for water conversation but for energy generation as well.

Where u r worried about less water flow in indus at skardu multiple dams means u can store water of multiple river and hence can manage flood even better.

U r looking dam from storage point only whereas there r lot of considerations. The best of katzarah dam is enormus energy generation capacity of upto 15000 mw. Which is equivallent to average need of whole pakistan.

Furthermore it is natural place and hence much cheaper. The dam area is surrounded by huge countains from all the side except for very wide basin of indus river.

These will also be the most undisputed dam as it has much lower scope of adding canals unlike dams in punjab which can diver water to other lands and reducobg flow to sindh delta even further.

 

[RealNapster]

katzarah is being renamed and downscaled as skardu dam
but as i said before we cant stop all the water in indus at that point we need 16000 mw run of river down the line so either we go bunji or just have water up stream
while same can be acheaved downstream tarbela with easy and abundance of water
use some logic and do some research
katzara was feasible if it would be the only 1 on indus while rest were run of river until u reach kalabagh valley
there we dam kabul/sawat thats it 44 maf capacity right there 6 magla dams worth

Let suppose . You annually get 80 MAF continuous flow in Indus and 20 MAF flood wafer in Moonsoon. Now, you may built one dam that will store all of this water but, with a single day precipitation you will havs to open the gates and let go this water which downstream will have a flood like effect. Now, i can also built 10 dams over this single system of 100 MAF water. The annual floods alone will be sufficient to fill these dams and after that it will be your normal flow through gates of all dams. The system still remain same. Infact incase of low precipitations and drought you will have enough water to let go in the system. Dams are here to ensure your indus remain alive. Otherwise it will ve just a seasonal river (barsaati naala) with current motives of India abd climate changes.

You are talking alot of things without giving any specific plan or any specific data to prove your point.

You are against some dams but in favor of others without any known reason.

You are saying water is not available when dams are not just water but also for energy generation can recover cost only in terms of energy generation. Furthermore saving from floods is something additional.

If you are knowledgebale as per your claim kindly show us some specific plan which is in your mind with figures otherwise you are just miss guiding.

He want to store water through an extremely long wall in a plain area. Good luck with that.

 

[Kabira]

wht part of my statement u don’t understand
make bullet points and ask wht u don’t understand
and i cant bring u drawings
or detailed study reports
soil samples
bhai


my point is if u want to make dams u have to take care of delta region too
for that we need to make a wall
we have water 90 days a year
and it’s availability varies from place to place
like at katzarah we barely receive 30 maf and u want a 40 maf dam there
then why we have tarbela bhasha dasu bunji thakot ?
maximum amount pf water available in pakistan isn’t at katzara its least
maximum is at kabul river confluence with indus 90maf and next point is kot mithan

and about katzara we have a planned project there named skardu dam
almost size of bhasha/tarbela
which in my opinion is maximum available water we can spare at that point specifically for run of river planned down the line 25000 mw almost
that can be a game changer

What is down scaled skardu dam? Any link?

 

[ali_raza]

Dam will help in saving rhe delta. Thise 90 days of heavy water flow will be stored at various locations and will be rrleased consistently throughout the year as per need.

With respect to katzarah or any other dam there is no specific prioeity but we need atleast three to four big dams not only for water conversation but for energy generation as well.

Where u r worried about less water flow in indus at skardu multiple dams means u can store water of multiple river and hence can manage flood even better.

U r looking dam from storage point only whereas there r lot of considerations. The best of katzarah dam is enormus energy generation capacity of upto 15000 mw. Which is equivallent to average need of whole pakistan.

Furthermore it is natural place and hence much cheaper. The dam area is surrounded by huge countains from all the side except for very wide basin of indus river.

These will also be the most undisputed dam as it has much lower scope of adding canals unlike dams in punjab which can diver water to other lands and reducobg flow to sindh delta even further.

oh bhai why dont u read my post again
its all about water availability and where
and do u think we have no usage in summer months?
when water is available
btw usage is double in summer as compared to winter
where we can make we will only make there
these khyali projects of 15k mw and 40 maf r all bogus
u need to have 100 different kind of studies to confirm the pheasiblity of a project
wht we throw in ocean also pass through the whole coutries eco system where is should be utilized fully
like i prefer much more then making a dam we rather should make a huge canal
actually drawings r ready its called all pakistan canal divert 20 maf to balochistan see if it doesn’t surpass punjab in 10 years and make our country a food producing giant close to india
but priorities r mixed up
and fundings r non existent