A suggestion to all members and please help the forum

[313ghazi]

It is simple, please respect the institutions and the fallen soldiers. And politics need to be debated in a civil manner. No more abusive language. .. my 2 cents..

This forum is a huge blessing to express our opinion. It is the responsibility of everyone to protect the sanctity of this forum.

How do you respect an institution which has pillaged the country and was responsible for breaking it into two?

That is ghulami - respect them otherwise they'll pick up your family members and rape them and torture them.

We should not accept this. Your honour matters more than a forum. Our liberty matters more than a forum.

 

[_NOBODY_]

PDF is Pakistan Defense Forum, which means its primarily a defense forum for military related discussions. Somehow, it became Political Defense Forum, which shouldn't have occurred in the first place.

There are ways and means to do things. Especially when practical steps in real life are needed. Online posting plays a very small part, but does play a part since social media has become a viral propagation. Whatever came out in political threads was garbage of mental issues generating from hatred and frustration. When asked how many members actually contributed to political activates in real life, the result was disappointing.

I mentioned to HRK sometime back, its really easy to post in political threads. You honestly dont need any knowledge. Just come online, post crap one-liners, instigate discussions, abuse and curse and be on your way. You dont need to do any study, any homework, read any references, or research papers. Just post and be on your way.

Those who want to take part in political discussions can:

1. Go and make own blogs. Yeah own the responsibility for your own words and put your own self at stake.
2. Request interested members to post on your blog.
3. Copy and paste relevant posts and threads from past on your blog and continue discussions on that blog.
4. There is no need to put PDF admin or Mods in trouble. Be accountable for your own words on your own blog.


This is where the problem lies. Perception.

No country will let things fly around when Government and military apparatus is targeted through media. All will take actions according to their choices, options and decisions.

It is hard for such a forum to just be a defence forum because there are many crucial things that are closely linked with a country's defence such as economy, local & global politics and science & technology. It's hard to discuss the economy of a country without discussing its political economy. You can never separate politics from defence. However, what we can do is discuss politics in a civil manner with far greater emphasis on policies rather than political parties or political figures.

@VCheng @Goenitz @LeGenD @FuturePAF

 

[Tomcats]

Not sure where to write this but fwiw, I think the site went down for other reasons rather than a censor, I say this because piaforum also went down similarly and went back online. But i suppose those in the loop can tell us.

 

[DGMO]

First things first, we all joined this forum because of our love and passion for PakMil. My username sort of gives that away which I've had for 20 years. I've been on here for 13 years, mostly inactive, recently a bit more active. And before that, spent a decade on other PakDef forums.

My only interest was the JF-17 and the PAF, PakMil images, Kashmir and that's it. Politics never came into it.

If people are saying PDF has become more political, then it's due to the negative actions of the institution the vast majority of us held in such high regard, whether at home or overseas. People forget what a great and positive place this was a couple of years back.

But as long as the overt brutality, constitutional violations, oppression and fascism continues against the largest and most popular political party, then justified criticism will be there. As it affects all aspects of Pakistan's financial wellbeing and future prospects - and that directly impacts its defence capabilities and stability.

We can't stay silent when we see the unprecedented and shocking behaviour of the past 19 months.

 

[Haldorss]

you should allow profile comments as a replacement for messaging.

so....

 

[PradoTLC]

Let's be like Canada.

Make sacrifices and you will be remembered.

Do corruption and you will be shamed.

No lowly human is above the law.

Screw the thieves and their supporters. May these traitors be humiliated throughout all time and may God's earh swollow them all whole.

Been praying to God to strike these thieves and their helpers with a shattering earthquake!

so be like Imran Khan?

I think its better to not post about anything for the for seeable future, and stay logged out for a while.

As for any posts I may have made, I would like to apologize to the State and its institutions, and hopefully if they see this message, they will leave me alone, as it will not happen again. At the end of day I am a normal citizen, and not really a supporter of any political party, and I would like to stay out of trouble. I may have posted things at an heightened emotional state. I'll hope that I can be let off this time with a warning only.

true fear...

 

[PradoTLC]

nsults achieve nothing. Constructive criticism is entirely different.

even that they do not tolerate

 

[Jungibaaz]

I can’t say that we couldn’t see this day coming, the rhetoric against the establishment has been ramping up for a long time now. I’m not involved at all in running anything anymore, but I feel bad for the current admin team, you guys don’t deserve such pressure from both ends. It’s thankless work.

One easy and immediate suggestion, free speech and valid criticism on side, anyone celebrating attacks on institutions by terrorists or enemies - Perma ban, no need to ponder how many thousands of posts they have.

The rest, it’s probably best for members to understand that this forum does not exist in a bubble. Anything you could get into trouble for saying on other social media or real life, also applies here. The level of charged political opinions and rhetoric posted on here in the past few years was always bound to get a response one day, sad though it is.

 

[LeGenD]

It is hard for such a forum to just be a defence forum because there are many crucial things that are closely linked with a country's defence such as economy, local & global politics and science & technology. It's hard to discuss the economy of a country without discussing its political economy. You can never separate politics from defence. However, what we can do is discuss politics in a civil manner with far greater emphasis on policies rather than political parties or political figures.

@VCheng @Goenitz @LeGenD @FuturePAF

Bro, you have the right mental aptitude and maturity to discuss any theme in sensible ways but I cannot say the same about all here. Maybe I am not as mature as you are either.

 

[Goenitz]

It is hard for such a forum to just be a defence forum because there are many crucial things that are closely linked with a country's defence such as economy, local & global politics and science & technology. It's hard to discuss the economy of a country without discussing its political economy. You can never separate politics from defence. However, what we can do is discuss politics in a civil manner with far greater emphasis on policies rather than political parties or political figures.

@VCheng @Goenitz @LeGenD @FuturePAF

We know that very well. However, the other side doesn't like to be questioned at all, no matter how civil one can be. Also, the Mod's family are/may be facing the prosecution.

Therefore, let's isolate the defence from all other variables as much as possible for now. If people can survive that, the forum will continue or will die its natural death anyway. Something other will get teh viewership like Twitter or Siasat.pk etc as people if cannot contain it, will find another way.

 

[PWFI]

Succesfully updated

 

[Vortex]

Not really.

Who are the masked men who are kidnapping, torturing and killing PTI members, supporters, journalists etc ? Pakistan’s patriots or deep state ?

 

[Vapnope]

If the army junta doesn’t want this, it should stop recording what legally married couples do in bed. It should stop kidnapping innocent people and torturing them. It should stop its criminal political engineering. I mean what crime did the journalist they murdered in Kenya commit? How about the imran something journalist they held hostage for months without admitting?

The army junta can’t keep committing these egregious crimes and still expect people to look the other way. The truth is the army junta’s crimes invite criticisms.

Which part of my comment needs explaining? Because i too criticize army (you might wanna read my own write ups here) however the difference is that i do not celebrate the murder of my soldiers. Neither do i support TTP just because i have differences with army.
The issues that you highlighted can be said about every political party as well, but you don't find me celebrating the deaths of political party stalwarts. Know the difference, pls.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Those are stable countries where the Army is criticized for actions outside the country whereas within Pakistan, a segment has been blaming the Army for every ill of the country ever since the ouster of Imran Khan. It is one thing to blame the Army for the security lapses but an entirely different thing to make it a target for everything out of habit or personal problems.

This becomes a problem when the enemy's most lethal weapon against the country is to sow discord between the Army and the public through which the enemies can realize their ulterior motives and hence these moves need to be stopped through all means available, even if it means to silent abettors, both willing ones and stupid ones.

Context!

Why would a purpose built institution, raised and equipped to defend territorial integrity of an entity, subject itself to ANY internal politics among people?

Why would it direct it's or someone else's foreign/domestic policy?

Why should it label ANYONE a traitor?

Why should it, prop up or manipulate the internal political discourse?

Someone posed a question to a former military official in the U.S ... Why doesn't the POTUS deploy U.S military to the southern border and he simply answered because U.S military will never want to be in a situation where it has to train its rifle at it's citizens. It behooves the state and it's purpose...

People in Pakistan know who rules them... dictates the terms and most importantly has monopoly over use of violence. So, it does... it only exposes tyranny... apologists here will push all to admire gadgets or specs but not nature of power... which itself poses the obvious, WHY NOT?

I have written about it before, noted the pitfalls of current political discourse and their synthetic nature. I have also noted a separation and regional regulatory structure run by those people. The only way to expose and obviate a colonial central legacy bureaucracy and systems.

At the end of the day Pakistan, it's people need a military, a well trained and equipped one at that... an institution that commands respect internally and externally, an institution where people willingly volunteer, not because of any coercion, rank or prestige but to serve the freedom it and nature of life it preserves inside!!!

One that volunteers for causes overseas as an inspired force for good.

I don't think that military would seek what this does... and if any criticism was thrown at it wouldn't go after family members of the protagonist, moderators or it's audience.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Bro, you have the right mental aptitude and maturity to discuss any theme in sensible ways but I cannot say the same about all here. Maybe I am not as mature as you are either.

Please! You are being too humble. Your generous praise humbles me; however, I cannot hold a candle to you when it comes to providing value to this forum. Your commitment to excellence sets a commendable standard, and your presence is truly instrumental in fostering a thriving community on this forum. I will continue to provide as much value as I can to this forum. The value addition must never stop.