27th February Was Only Half the Surprise Revealed !!!

[TheTallGuy]

AVM Irfan flew a F-16 in the mission

come on folks you shouldnt have missed that.

AVM Irfan was the air boss ...if i am correct he was the GIB with Sqn Ldr Hasan Siddiqui.

I think its well known...in PDF

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

DA-20 is plane which is optimized for EW operations and it can be upgraded continuously, also HQ-9 have 150+ range that is why Rafael will mostly probably fly low but still both sides will use all available assets to maximize their capacity, its not just one system vs another.

Do u think they can be upgraded by us using Chinese or Turkish assistance without the permission of France. France may not allow upgradation nor would they do it themselves considering they are in Indian Pockets now

 

[Basel]

Do u think they can be upgraded by us using Chinese or Turkish assistance without the permission of France. France may not allow upgradation nor would they do it themselves considering they are in Indian Pockets now

Why put Chinese system when Italy and other EU countries are willing to sell weapon systems to Pakistan, JFT already have Indra from Europe and from AESA airborne radars to AESA GBRs to advance SAMs to fighter jets to advance avionics package to engine for JFT is available from European companies, its all about what Pakistan want and can afford.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Hi,

Nothing---just the usual dance and prance of the Paf for their under performance---.

I am just amazed, according to the poster, he got permission from higher up. Whatever that means.
But he may have been given a nod to publish these pictures who took part in the raids. Well, so what!!

The facts remains, 8/9 IAF jets were locked, could have easily been taken down by PAF, but they dithered.
Can we please see the pictures of those who give orders not to shot down IAF jets!!
That would be the real revelations.

We already know that full theatre control was achieved by PAF otherwise, the SU 30 and Mirage 2000 would have not left the theatre and would not have been reluctant to return in the danger zone.
The fact the Indian immediately remove the Air Chief of their norther command and that their Generals and Modi cried "Rafale" immediately after the raids did point out to the difficulties faced by the Indians on 27th.

But the point is what PAF did with all that superiority and complete control of the theatre!!!
Shot down 1 worthless Mig 21 !!!!

Every sane person would agree that it is a bad return.

The utmost problem which many on this forum are not understanding because of their "Loyalty" or hubal watani is that Indians know that they could have been badly hurt by PAF but were let off the hook. They know that Pakistanis shied away from attacking them. This is not the weakness revealed to your enemies!!

Let me say, I am loyal to Pakistan, better and strongly than most on this forum.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Can we please see the pictures of those who give orders not to shot down IAF jets!!

Your PM will probably be one of them. The guy who was calling Modi after Op Swift Retort for peace and who released Indian pilot as quick as possible. Stop blaiming just one branch of military. It was a collective approach of Civil+Military

 

[StormBreaker]

AVM Irfan flew a F-16 in the mission

come on folks you shouldnt have missed that.

Is that really true ?
Are they even allowed to ?

 

[crankthatskunk]

AVM Irfan flew a F-16 in the mission

come on folks you shouldnt have missed that.

Brother, we didn't. It says clearly on one of the pages of the calendar.
This is the "secret" information revealed!!
This actually weakens our position further vis a vis IAF.
One of high up in PAF was controlling the theatre where, IAF left off the hook!!
Think what message was given to the Indians.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Your PM will probably be one of them. The guy who was calling Modi after Op Swift Retort for peace and who released Indian pilot as quick as possible. Stop blaiming just one branch of military. It was a collective approach of Civil+Military

And why do you assume that PM is the chief commanding officer of the whole country, and starting a war is easy but ending the war isn't control of anybody, and why you assumed there were no international pressure on civilian+military leadership to release the Indian pilot as soon as possible, because if we had not release Indian pilot, international communities fears bigger conflicts and last nuclear war, think logically

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

And why do you assume that PM is the chief commanding officer of the whole country, and starting a war is easy but ending the war isn't control of anybody, and why you assumed there were no international pressure on civilian+military leadership to release the Indian pilot as soon as possible, because if we had not release Indian pilot, international communities fears bigger conflicts and last nuclear war, think logically

I am. Shooting down all locked jets would had started the war. Dont you think?? These ppl are only blaiming PAF for not shooting down all locked jets

 

[Beast]

Why put Chinese system when Italy and other EU countries are willing to sell weapon systems to Pakistan, JFT already have Indra from Europe and from AESA airborne radars to AESA GBRs to advance SAMs to fighter jets to advance avionics package to engine for JFT is available from European companies, its all about what Pakistan want and can afford.

Becos Chines electronics and jammer are more superior. China, an electronic and tech giant with continue advancement vs a declining western nation with continue shrinking budget. I know u have a hate against Chinese but no one can deny the fact of Chinese tech role play in 27 Feb.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am. Shooting down all locked jets would had started the war. Dont you think?? These ppl are only blaiming PAF for not shooting down all locked jets

And you want you and lots of idiot member here want a death of billions of innocent peoples in the subcontinent???, PAF/govt aren't stupid that most of you thinks

 

[War Thunder]

Brother, we didn't. It says clearly on one of the pages of the calendar.
This is the "secret" information revealed!!
This actually weakens our position further vis a vis IAF.
One of high up in PAF was controlling the theatre where, IAF left off the hook!!
Think what message was given to the Indians.

It's a special surprise mate.
Our ability to surprise them by accomplishing air dominance and letting them go and doing absolutely nothing will be remembered in aviation history for decades to come.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Your PM will probably be one of them. The guy who was calling Modi after Op Swift Retort for peace and who released Indian pilot as quick as possible. Stop blaiming just one branch of military. It was a collective approach of Civil+Military

I am not brother, I said whoever is responsible.

I know Imran doesn't want war, unless it is imposed. I say it is a sign of the weakness. But knowing Imran, once he gets his tail up , he would show to the Indians. I don't think he is weak at all. He is very tenacious.

We should worry about those who had been showing "restrain" even when they are attacked viciously by their enemies.

 

[araz]

Indians know that they could have been badly hurt by PAF but were let off the hook. They know that Pakistanis shied away from attacking them. This is not the weakness revealed to your enemies!!

This statement of yours has answered all the critics as to why we did not go gung ho and bring down all the 9 fighters.
The questions one really needs to ask oneself is.
A. Are we in a position to have a full fledged war with India?
B. So what was the aim ofhaving this whole exercise? Was it to down IAF inventory or tech demonstration?
We have seriously underestimated the demoralizing effect of not knowing how the situation turned out so drastically bad for IAF? A fear of the unknown is a prime force in developing uncertainty while not provoking enough for the opposition to throw all caution to the wind and let loose with all it has at its disposal.
So I ask all the critics again what was more important, starting a full fledged war with no winners and a 100 million people dead on both sides if not more; or giving tge enemy just a taster of what it shohld expect if it ventures into our terrain again. I strongly suspect the other fighters which were logged were still in Indian air space and as such in peace times the act of taking them out would have been tentamount to an aggression which would have forced a response. The response would have been missile strikes and unless and until you were willing to throw40 to 50 Nukes across the border to totally anihilate India theassured outcome would have been significant damage to your country and in fact possibly no country left worth mentioning .
40 to 50 nukes thrownacross India will unleash havoc the consequences would have envelopedyou China and at least half the world with loss of a couple of billion lives plus. You wouldthen have invited a free for all with all the big boys jumping in and the endgame being played out in the subcontinent.
People need to play put scenarios before opening their mouths/typing their thoughts.
No disrespect intended to anyone.
A

 

[crankthatskunk]

The final word.

This statement of yours has answered all the critics as to why we did not go gung ho and bring down all the 9 fighters.
The questions one really needs to ask oneself is.
A. Are we in a position to have a full fledged war with India?
B. So what was the aim ofhaving this whole exercise? Was it to down IAF inventory or tech demonstration?
We have seriously underestimated the demoralizing effect of not knowing how the situation turned out so drastically bad for IAF? A fear of the unknown is a prime force in developing uncertainty while not provoking enough for the opposition to throw all caution to the wind and let loose with all it has at its disposal.
So I ask all the critics again what was more important, starting a full fledged war with no winners and a 100 million people dead on both sides if not more; or giving tge enemy just a taster of what it shohld expect if it ventures into our terrain again. I strongly suspect the other fighters which were logged were still in Indian air space and as such in peace times the act of taking them out would have been tentamount to an aggression which would have forced a response. The response would have been missile strikes and unless and until you were willing to throw40 to 50 Nukes across the border to totally anihilate India theassured outcome would have been significant damage to your country and in fact possibly no country left worth mentioning .
40 to 50 nukes thrownacross India will unleash havoc the consequences would have envelopedyou China and at least half the world with loss of a couple of billion lives plus. You wouldthen have invited a free for all with all the big boys jumping in and the endgame being played out in the subcontinent.
People need to play put scenarios before opening their mouths/typing their thoughts.
No disrespect intended to anyone.
A

Oh boy, now we know why Pakistanis show cowardice on regular basis.

Think about it. What you written had reverse effect than what you described.
Not only the Indians have found out their weaknesses, which they would over come next time.
They wouldn't be deter now to attack Pakistan again, make no mistake. They know we are incapable of taking tough decisions. We will make any excuse under the sun to cover up our cowardice, but to face the truth and reality.

If anything, Pakistan is losing the relevance and importance of its " Nuclear Deterrent".
Indians have already tested our patience and capabilities. They know we will suck up and wouldn't respond.
Remember, after 27th Feb 2019, Indians have taken next step without fear, i.e. annexing Kashmir by force by changing their constitution. We responded as Indians suspected and tested that we would do. All the cries but no actions.

What you wrote is a testimony to that. Enuf said.