Thank you for your informed and brilliantly articulated comments. Some of what you say I agree with, some I don't. You're right that I used the Abdullahs as a case study, while in reality many many clans and individuals dramatically fell from grace recently due to the same short sightedness and weakness. The anguished cry during the arrest of Abdullah senior and his referring to "my India" was quite symbolic of the whole situation in my opinion, hence my constant references to him and this rather symptomatic episode.
As for whether 370 should be removed or should have been removed or should ever have existed in the first place, we will inevitably differ on this. I, for one, feel that unique treaty provisions can well exist in outlying restive states. This is the very nature of autonomy or semi-autonomy that we see the world over. It is almost Marxist-like to enforce identical rules and regulations upon all without considering the uniqueness of certain tribes, states or groups. Even Hindustan makes provisions and always will make provisions for certain groups to enjoy exclusively (scheduled castes, quotas, etc). As I have referred to myself, in NI, the Good Friday Agreement allows for all NI citizens to declare themselves as citizens of RoI, NI, or to be dual nationals of both as per their choosing, to quote but one example of special dispensations that the rest of UK does not benefit from.
Hence, Delhi has pretty much taken something that was just about sustainable and shredded it into pulp.
Well, if you remember the canon, Bizarro was essentially Superman, differing in various aspects of his realisation. With regard to your response, it is appealing, but I cannot help being juvenile (at 69, it will be the second time around, after all) and going to town on your discussion on Art. 370.
The bit that I am going to be insufferable about is to point out that if you had substituted Art. 35A for 370, I would have sat here in awestruck silence and acquiesced readily. I refer partiularly to what you stated very lucidly, in these words:
"...unique treaty provisions can well exist in outlying restive states. This is the very nature of autonomy or semi-autonomy that we see the world over. It is almost Marxist-like to enforce identical rules and regulations upon all without considering the uniqueness of certain tribes, states or groups. Even Hindustan makes provisions and always will make provisions for certain groups to enjoy exclusively (scheduled castes, quotas, etc). As I have referred to myself, in NI, the Good Friday Agreement allows for all NI citizens to declare themselves as citizens of RoI, NI, or to be dual nationals of both as per their choosing, to quote but one example of special dispensations that the rest of UK does not benefit from..."
So clearly stated, but applicable, dear Sir, to 35A. And one of the reasons why I cried myself hoarse (on other, more friendly fora) was that this provision so well fit your description of the need for autonomy or self-autonomy above, and also that it was so close to almost identical provisions made for the Indian states of Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya and Nagaland (I am writing this from memory, and am not entirely sure about Nagaland). There, too, in these BJP cesspools of Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand, the precisely identical provision of denial of acquisition of property by non-residents applied; it was the uniqueness of the society of these regions that dictated these exceptions.
I am not sure that your argument applies so well to the instance of scheduled castes (and scheduled tribes, almost more important considering the flagrant violation of the security of their dwelling places) and quotas for some (the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes in particular); these are perhaps better classified under affirmative action, although the expansion of quotas beyond the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes has made a joke of the whole thing.
I know this is a juvenile reaction, but there are such soul-burdening discussions going on elsewhere that this is an opportunity to behave like the old Don did, exhibiting to Sancho the lightness of mind that should be faithfully reported to Dulcinea.
Thank you for your informed and brilliantly articulated comments. Some of what you say I agree with, some I don't. You're right that I used the Abdullahs as a case study, while in reality many many clans and individuals dramatically fell from grace recently due to the same short sightedness and weakness. The anguished cry during the arrest of Abdullah senior and his referring to "my India" was quite symbolic of the whole situation in my opinion, hence my constant references to him and this rather symptomatic episode.
As for whether 370 should be removed or should have been removed or should ever have existed in the first place, we will inevitably differ on this. I, for one, feel that unique treaty provisions can well exist in outlying restive states. This is the very nature of autonomy or semi-autonomy that we see the world over. It is almost Marxist-like to enforce identical rules and regulations upon all without considering the uniqueness of certain tribes, states or groups. Even Hindustan makes provisions and always will make provisions for certain groups to enjoy exclusively (scheduled castes, quotas, etc). As I have referred to myself, in NI, the Good Friday Agreement allows for all NI citizens to declare themselves as citizens of RoI, NI, or to be dual nationals of both as per their choosing, to quote but one example of special dispensations that the rest of UK does not benefit from.
Hence, Delhi has pretty much taken something that was just about sustainable and shredded it into pulp.
PS: Could you please tag me in future, in discussions which you believe to be interesting? I would be most obliged.
Don't you think someone, maybe from outside, has to light a spark ??
I wish I could agree.
The uprising of civil society all over India, the unprecedented unity among the young, irrespective of religion or ethnicity, the furious resistance to force, all might have encouraged agreement.
But two things depress any untimely enthusiasm: first, the utter brutality, the savage reaction by the Sanghis, second, the utter stupidity of Akbaruddin Owaisi, who is a one-man demolition machine of any kind of unifying sentiment. Asad Bhai can keep apologising his head off; Akbaruddin is truly a menace.
Exactly. India should stop interfering in Pakistani internal affairs.
Kashmir is Pakistan.
Thanks for agreeing that Hindus are stinky. They are stinkier than the pigs.
Not a single inch of land would be given.
Hindus and Sikhs should leave Jammu immediately else Kashmir will be repeated in Jammu.
Get ready for it.
Thank you for your intelligent, well-informed and relevant remarks.
Your education has been sadly neglected. We are humans, not canines. If you stopped trying to identify other humans by sniffing what you imagine to be their identifying parts, you might suffer less.
1. The outside force can be the UNO or SCO. The Kashmir issue is no doubt more than something local to India and has to be recognized as such within the Indian political and legal circles.
2. For peace to settle within the Kashmir Valley - (a). Both India and Pakistan need to become governed by the same Progressive political system much like how pre-2003 Iraq and Syria were governed by the Ba'ath movement yet remained two independent republics, (b). The LoC should be converted into an International Border passable by passport for reasons of trade, tourism and family visits. These two things will stop most of the militancy within the Kashmir Valley. The militancy that will remain will be of the terrorist type and that can be resolved as a common problem of both India and Pakistan.
@Joe Shearer is talking about Hindutva and not all Hindus. There is a difference.
But are you really a Pakistani and a Muslim ?? I have read some of your other posts and they seem to be childish. I think you are a false-flagger.
He is amusing. Remember what a circle looks like; left and right meet at a point. Hindu obscurantists and Muslim braggarts are identical in almost all respects.
Hmm, I will have to research more on all these.
Don't waste your time. That was hogwash. Look at who were in office. All this is possible only when there is collusion on a massive scale.
