12 rabi ul awal in indian style

[Arsalan 345]

Celebrations are not new.there are hints that even at older times,people used to celebrate it.now with changing society and mindset,things are changed and I don't participate in such activities like image of kaaba surrounding by people and celebrating with male and females on roads.i am not against celebration.we Sunni Muslims can proudly say that we belong to one of the 4 school of law and there was only 4 schools.there was no wahhabi or salafi religion.many in Egypt and turkey provided evidence against people who invented their own religion and there are valid points against them.there are more than 40 terrorist organizations that belong to a particular sect.obviously we don't listen to them when they ask us not to celebrate.if you make your own sect,go enjoy.yoy made it.do whatever you want.you can't criticize Sunni.school of law also believed in Sufism which they also deny but who cares! Celebrations should be in limit but it will continue.

 

[Longhorn]

This thread is a great example of what we have become as a people and as a religion.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Ahh the 12th another sufi concoction.

If you back to original classical islamic texts. No trace of sahabas, tabaeen, taba tabaeen is found of them observing the 12th. Rather a grand debate is found with one opinion for it and numerous against it. So the 12th can be described as dubious at best.

It's validity was already debated upon for quite some time. But now sadly it has become a mass shirk fest. With people celebrating Prophet Muhammad alai salam like Christians celebrate Jesus' birth. End up violating the divine rank structure where Allah is always superior than the messengers.

It is not an act of shirk.celebrations were even held in past.you need to dig deeper to understand real problem.majority of Muslims say 12 so how it becomes a shirk? A shirk just because you invented your own sect and start accusing others.i mean there is a sect who is running terror factories.this particular sector doesn't have any relation with the school of law.dude you can't overrule it because you yourself as a sect aren't in this position.don't mind lol.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Yes that is very obvious. And I know that it is a concocted way of remembering Prophet Muhammad alaihi salam.

But my point is the various bida'at and actions of shirk jahil ashiq e rasool type mullas do on the 12th.

You have to understand that our culture is also influenced by Hindu culture. Even though we are miles apart we have still imported some aspects of Hindu culture. From our weddings to religious festivities. There are Hindu cultural elements embedded in it.

This is over the top. It is not necessary and harmful. There is a way of remembering the final prophet's (PBUH) birth.



There is no shirk in remembering the final prophet's birth. You do it in a respectful manner. The final prophet PBUH taught us Islam. Without his teachings we wouldn't know about Islam. He is the final messenger of Allah. We remember him every day by reading salutations i.e. durood. That is also a form of remembrance.



Mawlid has been celebrated for centuries. Long before Sufi of the Subcontinent introduced it on our shores. The Arab Sufi's have been celebrating the prophet's birth for ages. I find it astonishing how some people have issues with remembering the birth of our prophet PBUH who taught us Islam. Remembering the birth or any historical day of the prophet is not shirk. It is notthing short of worship. Remembrance of birthday is not sinful.

It is not an act of shirk.celebrations were even held in past.you need to dig deeper to understand real problem.majority of Muslims say 12 so how it becomes a shirk? A shirk just because you invented your own sect and start accusing others.i mean there is a sect who is running terror factories.this particular sector doesn't have any relation with the school of law.dude you can't overrule it because you yourself as a sect aren't in this position.don't mind lol.

There were celebrations held before yes but most of it is in Hanafi, extra romantic, sufi-istic parts of muslim world like Turkey, Iran, India&Pakistan(with heavy influences from hinduism)and not most of the world like you claim. Trust me there is muslim community in America from all parts of the world, no one has any awareness regarding the 12th except for maybe Indians, Pakistanis or maybe some Africans. Also not to burst your bubble the concept "syed" also only exists in Pakistan.

And with extra romanticized islam we have reached a stage where people have started doing what Christians did with Jesus. In expressing their love for Jesus they made him son of God, constituting shirk. We are doing same with 12th people openly say that Mohammad S.A.W is our mushkil kusha and hajat rawa .Which violates the divine rank structure where only Allah holds that place and no one else.

And the whole thing just looks like an islamicized version of Christmas.

In reality if you go back to the texts written by the sahaba, tabaeen and taba tabaeen no evidence of 12th is found. Whatever opinion is there is of one man for 12th vs many others who agree that 12th is invalid. It is not about me being a wahabbi(I know how this word is a misnomer in Pakistan and is hated in Pakistan). It rather has to do with historical facts of the muslims creed.

If for a few centuries people observed a celebration which is based on dubious grounds, would you keep doing it merely for sake of tradition. No matter what the reality is behind said celebration?

There is a detailed video of Yasir Qadhi explaining WITH REFRENCES(so you can go back to those sources and verify yourself) how the mawlid came into existence in 11th century 300 years after Prophet Muhammad alaihi salam, sahaba and tabaeen etc.

 

[Hindustani78]

Seems like the anti Mawlid brigade has woken up after 1 year of sleeping.

Mawlid Tradition is there is Union of India since Centuries.

Yes there are minority jahil Muslims who misuse Mawlid events but brothers open your heart to sincerity. Do Muslims not misuse Eid Events, people go clubbing on Eid days, people drink alcohol, people gamble, people meet their gfs bfs, people have unislamic haircuts and dresses.

Turani Cult is the Reason.

Does this mean we should stop celebrating Eid?

On Eid e Milad , Bakras (Lamb) are being Slaughtered.

Why only use cheap propaganda and youtube video on Mawlid. Why you scream bidah and shirk only on 12th rabbiUlAwwal instead of being happy and thankful.

From Bidah starts the Shirk.

Do people not misuse Quran ayahs and Hadiths to fit their loose beliefs? Does this mean we should stop reading and believing in the Holy Quran.

Hidayats of Rasool Allah are there to understand Quran.

You see there are always jahil people who you can never control.

Jahils are easily identified.

And brothers we need to get rid of this racism being promoted on PDF against subcontinent people. Just because we are not Arabs does not mean our scholars have not mastered Quran and Hadith. We have one of the most learnt islamic scholars residing in the Indian subcontinent.

Union of India/Hindustan/Hind are having enough Religious Scholars and Researches are being done along with the Ahle Kitabun.

MashaAllah brother. This is the correct way. To have a Islamic mehfil in honour of Prophet peace be upon him. Those people who oppose and take cheap shots need to use the same method against Eid celebrations because people do unislamic things on Eid day too. This doesnt mean genuine muslims should stop celebrating Eid.

Sitting in Islamic Religious talks, doesnt mean Mehfil but Halqa or Ijtiema.

I encourage all PDF members to hold beautiful mehfil in their homes in honour of the best of creation. Seek blessings of Allah almighty.

Union of India's Establishment has stopped Peace Tv and Quran Channel Relay's because Enemies of Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam are creating problems in many Allied Nations.

Turban is the sunnah of Prophet peace be upon him and sunnah of the Angel's. This is the true Islam. Nobody opposes arabic Quran but the wrong translation by the AlSaud clan. We follow the Quran translation written by the classical scholars of Islam ie Mufasireen. Not a 21st century wrong translation funded by oil wealth.

Banu Tamim are in Ranks of Shiek Al Saud Clan, Ikhwan

Learn Islamic history of the subcontinent please. The ahlus sunnah always been sunni hanafis, they always followed Awliyah Allah who only preached Quran,Hadith, Ijimma and qiyas. If minority Muslims do wrong things then this does not mean majority follow it.

Auliya Allah are those who are close to the Kingships and in Union of India, System is still the same.

Militias in Pakistan did suicide bombings and the whole world tried to label us a terrorist nation and called them Islamic terrorists but we all know Islam has nothing to do with it. But the western world keeps on sharing youtube videos for propaganda purposes. Anti Mawlid brigade has learnt a lot from them I guess.

Those were and are part of Pakistan Military Command, Suicide Bombings are actually Military Grade Attacks with an objective which has nothing to do with Islam.

They don't need to have a new Quran, when there are different "Islamic" books quoting unsubstantiated hadiths, all written by unknown people and they are considered indispensable to Islamic viability.

Even the Union of India's Islamic Religious Scholars oppose the Thesis System of Education of the European Citizens, Understanding Islam is not what they do, they Know about Islam.

 

[Pakistani sipahi]

Give me any proof from sunnah or seerat e sahaba for this celebration ?
anyone?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

They dont want to talk about that bro. Only what looks good on surface. Tradition has become more valuable than real facts or any Quran, Hadith and Sunnah.

Give me any proof from sunnah or seerat e sahaba for this celebration ?
anyone?

 

[Nasr]

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The stupidity of some, is a disgrace to the collective human intellect. India is a country cursed with the inability to embrace Islam. They will remain (predominantly) a nation of imbeciles (mostly). Celebrating the birth of our beloved Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassalam) is measured by how well we are following the Sunnah. Not by parading around with bagpipes of pagans. Music isn't our identity, IMAAN is!

 

[JonAsad]

Give me any proof from sunnah or seerat e sahaba for this celebration ?
anyone?

Salam,
yo have any proof to the contrary to make the Eid Milad celebrations Haram? -

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Enjoy

Salam,
yo have any proof to the contrary to make the Eid Milad celebrations Haram? -

 

[JonAsad]

Enjoy

you tube videos wont cut it, i have countless you tube videos claiming otherwise..
Give me Quranic Verse, Ahadees -

 

[PakAlp]

Give me any proof from sunnah or seerat e sahaba for this celebration ?
anyone?

Show me proof where you can hold your own birthday gatherings? Quran and Sunnah conferences? Seerah conferences? Proof where you can hold rallies against the governments? Darnas against the government? Show me proof where Prophet peace be upon him stated you can make Quran in to one book? Prove how you compile Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim in to a book? Show me proof where you make large beautiful mosques? Show me proof where you make your houses in to palaces? Did Prophet peace be upon him lived like this? Proof where you hold weekly and monthly tajweed gatherings?

The point is if all these other gatherings are fine then a Mawlid gathering is also fine. Islam and Quran and Sunnat does not forbid gatherings?

In the UK many people who burn at seeing a Mawlid gathering hold Quran parties, they hold eid gatherings in park and organise food festivals, Mela gatherings with swings, rides for children. Prove this from sunnah?

Salam,
yo have any proof to the contrary to make the Eid Milad celebrations Haram? -

Exactly, people love to hold many forms of political gatherings and they dont need proof for that. They hold many forms of quran and sunnah gatherings but dont need proof? They hold weekly and monthly tajweed gatherings and dont need proof, they hold Eid ul Fitr and Eid ul Adha parties and dont need proof? They hold Islamic summer camps, Islamic summer walks for charity, Islamic weekend gatherings, Islamic 5 days Ijtima conference and dont need proof.

But only on Mawlid gathering they need proof and use Microscope to check the evidence.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Yes that is very obvious. And I know that it is a concocted way of remembering Prophet Muhammad alaihi salam.

But my point is the various bida'at and actions of shirk jahil ashiq e rasool type mullas do on the 12th.



There were celebrations held before yes but most of it is in Hanafi, extra romantic, sufi-istic parts of muslim world like Turkey, Iran, India&Pakistan(with heavy influences from hinduism)and not most of the world like you claim. Trust me there is muslim community in America from all parts of the world, no one has any awareness regarding the 12th except for maybe Indians, Pakistanis or maybe some Africans. Also not to burst your bubble the concept "syed" also only exists in Pakistan.

And with extra romanticized islam we have reached a stage where people have started doing what Christians did with Jesus. In expressing their love for Jesus they made him son of God, constituting shirk. We are doing same with 12th people openly say that Mohammad S.A.W is our mushkil kusha and hajat rawa .Which violates the divine rank structure where only Allah holds that place and no one else.

And the whole thing just looks like an islamicized version of Christmas.

In reality if you go back to the texts written by the sahaba, tabaeen and taba tabaeen no evidence of 12th is found. Whatever opinion is there is of one man for 12th vs many others who agree that 12th is invalid. It is not about me being a wahabbi(I know how this word is a misnomer in Pakistan and is hated in Pakistan). It rather has to do with historical facts of the muslims creed.

If for a few centuries people observed a celebration which is based on dubious grounds, would you keep doing it merely for sake of tradition. No matter what the reality is behind said celebration?

There is a detailed video of Yasir Qadhi explaining WITH REFRENCES(so you can go back to those sources and verify yourself) how the mawlid came into existence in 11th century 300 years after Prophet Muhammad alaihi salam, sahaba and tabaeen etc.

Turkish and indian Muslim culture is not affected by Indian Hindu culture.this is wrong assumption.very often salafi/wahhabi Muslims quote ibn taymiyyah who himself believed in Sufism.celebrations can never become a shirk or biddah or whatever you call.here you are giving lectures that there were no celebrations.how do you know it? There is no clear picture on this topic but wahhabi give fatwa that it's not right to celebrate.i want to ask you about the school of salafi/wahhabi Muslims? Where is your school? There was no sect who believed in innovation in Islam.the concept is new and created by your own people.remember the person who is founder of wahhabi religion.he was criticized by his own father and brother.that is a reality.as far as celebrations are concerned,they are not bidah.innovation in Islam is a totally different topic but celebrating prophet birth is not a sin.as I said earlier,there is disagreement between Muslims about the exact date of birth of prophet.you can't stop Muslims from celebrating because you accepted a new religion.our 4 school of law doesn't share any resemblance with wahhabi religion.it is totally different and even Sufism was part of these schools and you deny sufism as well.my question is whether we trust you or our schools? Obviously any Muslim will trust schools.

Give me any proof from sunnah or seerat e sahaba for this celebration ?
anyone?

What do you mean by this? Your argument is ridiculous.this has been celebrated in every empire including ottoman empire.are you questioning ottoman Muslims? Are you questioning school of laws which you people don't belong.my question is why you are questioning us? It's natural for anyone to celebrate since we believe that it's birth date of prophet so why not? You can't question Muslims.we don't believe in people who don't follow schools of law.that is simple.

 

[PakAlp]

What do you mean by this? Your argument is ridiculous.this has been celebrated in every empire including ottoman empire.are you questioning ottoman Muslims? Are you questioning school of laws which you people don't belong.my question is why you are questioning us? It's natural for anyone to celebrate since we believe that it's birth date of prophet so why not? You can't question Muslims.we don't believe in people who don't follow schools of law.that is simple.

I think what these guys really want is to create some noise/debates regarding Mawlid so that PDF moderators can stop anything happening on the 12th Rabbi ul Awwal or regarding Mawlid on this forum. They want everybody else to think Mawlid causes issues on this forum whilst it's just a happy Day for the Ummah.

 

[Hindustani78]

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