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[ps3linux]

Designing a bottom up OS is beyond us right now it requires idea/expertise and facilities and I dont see any true OSes in my life from the shitty OS of C64 to Amiga to Amstrad to 286, and to SoC of today, let see Linux, Solaris, AS400, Unix, FreeBSD, mircosh*t, android (did I miss something) oh yes BeOS and OS2Warp with the exception of last two everyone had unix as a base even linus designed the kernel, rest is all opensource one of the reasons for lack of standardization. Sorry AS400 too was a very different thing.

BeOS and OS2Warp had so much potential BeOS lost due to being a small shitty company and OS2 well IBM guys were always stupid, it was such a great OS. We are few decades away from developing a true OS.

Sorry for being a jerk but I am not impressed with chinese ingenuity have a pretty rich experience with them during my uni day of electronics and computer engineering days in UK (with an emphasis on chip designing) and my financial engineering days what we do by pure IQ they do it with consistency no ingenuity, most of the development courtesy of industrial espionage.

Used to teach verilog here for fun, but now I am considering exploring RISC-V

 

[jamahir]

Remember the term Soft core microprocessor. @jamahir

BeOS and OS2Warp had so much potential BeOS lost due to being a small shitty company and OS2 well IBM guys were always stupid, it was such a great OS.

From my readings, yes, BeOS was supposed to be a good OS UI-wise and file system-wise.

But I consider QNX Neutrino to be perhaps the best OS currently.

We are few decades away from developing a true OS.

Well, for my own processor project, I will have to write a new OS entirely.

Also, we would need a new type of OS for Quantum Computers, I think. I don't know how they are during the current experiments.

Sorry for being a jerk but I am not impressed with chinese ingenuity have a pretty rich experience with them during my uni day of electronics and computer engineering days in UK (with an emphasis on chip designing) and my financial engineering days what we do by pure IQ they do it with consistency no ingenuity, most of the development courtesy of industrial espionage.

I agree. In modern times, all Chinese achievements have been by replicating American and Soviet achievements. I don't see any radically new output from China.

Used to teach verilog here for fun, but now I am considering exploring RISC-V

Tell me how it goes, especially if you are thinking of exploring it soon.

 

[Syed1.]

It is not about money at all. As I said earlier, China can put in vast amounts of money but they have been only able to produce the Loongson processor which is their implementation of the American MIPS processor architecture.

Some years ago I wrote a simple operating system which was my basic implementation of a microkernel OS design. It did not take me any money at all. First it took me three or four months of learning the x86 Assembly language and then three or four months of actually writing the OS. Just time and idea, not money.

Writing software or firmware for the chip is the easy part. Laying out the hardware in Verilog/VHDL, then running thousands of hours of simulation/verification and then getting it fabbed from Taiwan and hoping the actual physical chip performs as it did in the simulation through hours and hours of testing. All of these costs run in the millions. Writing RTOS isn't that time consuming or costly, plus it is just software.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Writing software or firmware for the chip is the easy part. Laying out the hardware in Verilog/VHDL, then running thousands of hours of simulation/verification and then getting it fabbed from Taiwan and hoping the actual physical chip performs as it did in the simulation through hours and hours of testing. All of these costs run in the millions. Writing RTOS isn't that time consuming or costly, plus it is just software.

Nice.

 

[jamahir]

Writing RTOS isn't that time consuming or costly, plus it is just software.

So tell me why isn't there another QNX ( to speak of a RTOS ) ??

If time and cost aren't the reason what are the actual reasons ??

Laying out the hardware in Verilog/VHDL, then running thousands of hours of simulation/verification and then getting it fabbed from Taiwan and hoping the actual physical chip performs as it did in the simulation through hours and hours of testing. All of these costs run in the millions.

I agree.

But any medium-sized country can do it. The key is can a country locally design a microprocessor ??

 

[ps3linux]

From my readings, yes, BeOS was supposed to be a good OS UI-wise and file system-wise.
But I consider QNX Neutrino to be perhaps the best OS currently.

Yeah it was, the file management was efficient, unlike many of the other OSes it was less of a bloatware.
Ah embedded systems/SoC a whole new world for smaller one like AtMega/M0 series C++ is still the language of choice for me, otherwise FreeRTOS

Well, for my own processor project, I will have to write a new OS entirely.
Also, we would need a new type of OS for Quantum Computers, I think. I don't know how they are during the current experiments.

Quite an undertaking, best of luck. Quantum world is still alluding us and I don't see major breakthroughs anytime soon major reasons are calculation variations due to minute variation in temperature, although I understand the logics of efficiency and speed.

I agree. In modern times, all Chinese achievements have been by replicating American and Soviet achievements. I don't see any radically new output from China.

No comments there.

Tell me how it goes, especially if you are thinking of exploring it soon.

Yeah, due to my commitments in various things job (not even distantly related to electronics), family, charity work and different advisories I have to extend electronics/physics get less attention that I want to but hopefully will explore it, someday just not today.

 

[jamahir]

charity work

What do you do ??

 

[ps3linux]

What do you do ??

Don't want to derail the thread but overlooking few family projects a school for under privileged, a society to take care of have nots medical needs particularly Hep B and C patients, my wife and mine little projects of sponsoring a cancer patient once a year (liver, bone marrow etc transplant), some school children sponsored good schools, visiting psychiatry wards counseling patients, visiting orphanage do small things, delivering lectures to schools/uni free of cost, donating fruit plants, too many just itsy bitsy teeny weeny small things nothing notable.